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Harris 51 6.09%
Bernie 205 24.46%
Clinton 27 3.22%
Brooker 8 0.95%
Biden 352 42.00%
Gillbrand 6 0.72%
Oprah! 41 4.89%
Warren 85 10.14%
Klobuchar 7 0.84%
Michelle Obama 44 5.25%
Cuomo 12 1.43%
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17-07-2020, 16:27   #4951
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In Ireland prisoners have a right to vote. The judge in a court sends you to prison for an offence, that's your punishment, nobody else can arbitrarily decide add ons.
Every adult citizen has a right to vote.
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17-07-2020, 16:57   #4952
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In Ireland prisoners have a right to vote. The judge in a court sends you to prison for an offence, that's your punishment, nobody else can arbitrarily decide add ons. Every adult citizen has a right to vote.
Yes but prisoners and ex-prisoners don't normally vote.
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Yes but prisoners and ex-prisoners don't normally vote.
Ah look you're going to have to put forward some stats on that - be it from America or Ireland. And in the former, considering the issue here is the precise disenfranchisement of ex-cons, then this is circular logic being indulged, the case being that they don't vote because in some states they can't, or are prevented via noted, demonstrated methods.
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17-07-2020, 17:13   #4954
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17-07-2020, 17:14   #4955
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What with this repeated ask for people to prove your assertions wrong? It's not the first time you've done it.
Make an assertion, and then back it up. It's not that hard
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Ah look you're going to have to put forward some stats on that - be it from America or Ireland. And in the former, considering the issue here is the precise disenfranchisement of ex-cons, then this is circular logic being indulged, the case being that they don't vote because in some states they can't, or are prevented via noted, demonstrated methods.
As you said, though, it is well understood many ex felons can't vote by statute, so the statement is correct. In 2016 over 6 million ex felons were disenfranchised

https://www.sentencingproject.org/pu...ment-a-primer/

I've attached a 2009 JSTOR paper which analyzed ex felon voter turnout. It found it to be as low as 5 percent. They looked at hundreds of eligible felons in Erie County NY and compared it against the board of elections data. Only 1 county though, so not much good on the national level, it would be much better to see a full set of data.

Hard to tell if this is a cultural thing, ie. if ex felons just assume they don't have the right and don't bother to ask; its certainly not advertised to them, and many corners would rather they feel that way. There's also a potential case of, as the type of antisocials who commit felonies, etc. that they already don't mesh with society anyway, and don't enfranchise themselves regardless. However I don't think this diminishes the need to recognize their right to vote, and it certainly is suppression by the GOP.
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I think it's fair to say that joe Biden isnt the ideal democratic candidate but I've just watched Biden speak on the view with Meghan McCain from four years ago and then at John McCains funeral and it's clear that joe Biden with all his faults has the ability for genuine compassion and empathy towards other people. His eulogy of John McCain is a special speech and one the current president could not deliver with any degree of sincerity.
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I think it's fair to say that joe Biden isnt the ideal democratic candidate but I've just watched Biden speak on the view with Meghan McCain from four years ago and then at John McCains funeral and it's clear that joe Biden with all his faults has the ability for genuine compassion and empathy towards other people. His eulogy of John McCain is a special speech and one the current president could not deliver with any degree of sincerity.
True to some extent. John McCain and Joe Biden are largely similar in their views and politics. So of course they can empathise with each other. They are conventional Republican and Democrat politicians, shadowboxing for the sake of public consumption but really agreed on the broad trends of the future of the USA. Trump was supposed to be a revolutionary change to the trajectory of conventional American politics. His failure, and the root cause of his historic defeat in November is that he objectively governed no differently to a Biden or McCain presidency.
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Well of we are crying about ex-felons rights we've reached a new low I think. It's hardly that important is it?
If you acknowledge they are rights, they shouldn’t be paid for. Whether someone was ever convicted of a crime is irrelevant.
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True to some extent. John McCain and Joe Biden are largely similar in their views and politics. So of course they can empathise with each other. They are conventional Republican and Democrat politicians, shadowboxing for the sake of public consumption but really agreed on the broad trends of the future of the USA. Trump was supposed to be a revolutionary change to the trajectory of conventional American politics. His failure, and the root cause of his historic defeat in November is that he objectively governed no differently to a Biden or McCain presidency.
I would agree with all but your last point. I don't think Biden or McCain would have taken the US on the isolationist path that Trump chose when he took it out of various international agreements thus undermining the US' status as the defender of freedom and international norms to say nothing of the disastrous handling of the coronavirus pandemic.
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I would agree with all but your last point. I don't think Biden or McCain would have taken the US on the isolationist path that Trump chose when he took it out of various international agreements thus undermining the US' status as the defender of freedom and international norms to say nothing of the disastrous handling of the coronavirus pandemic.
I agree, they wouldn't have but that's not the reason Trump's base has abandoned him. US voters do not care about the US being 'the defender of freedom and international norms'. If anything, Trump was elected on the understanding that he would upset the norms. He hasn't.
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I agree, they wouldn't have but that's not the reason Trump's base has abandoned him. US voters do not care about the US being 'the defender of freedom and international norms'. If anything, Trump was elected on the understanding that he would upset the norms. He hasn't.
Oh he has upset the norms, but just not in the way they're hoping to
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I agree, they wouldn't have but that's not the reason Trump's base has abandoned him. US voters do not care about the US being 'the defender of freedom and international norms'. If anything, Trump was elected on the understanding that he would upset the norms. He hasn't.
Has Trump's base actually abandoned him though? As far as I can tell, it's liberal Republicans who'd be pro-free market and other centrists who'd be the demographic or demographics to desert him along with anyone appalled at how the US has handled the coronavirus pandemic.

I would have thought his base would be happy enough. He's appointed two conservative supreme court justices, continued to push the culture war and moved the embassy in Israel.

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Has Trump's base actually abandoned him though? As far as I can tell, it's liberal Republicans who'd be pro-free market and other centrists who'd be the demographic or demographics to desert him along with anyone appalled at how the US has handled the coronavirus pandemic.
Nobody can pretend the pandemic is a serious concern anymore. Not after one month of mass gatherings and rioting in US cities, which was endorsed by the good and the great despite the pandemic. That narrative is over.

Trump's base has abandoned him. He has done nothing for them. Sure, some people who care about moving the US embassy to Jerusalem or are so brainwashed they think Biden is a communist will still vote for him, but he is going to suffer a historic defeat in November.

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What is a conservative these days? Just in June the Supreme Court ruled to expand LGBTQ rights. Neil Gorsuch, one of Trumps supposedly rock solid 'conservative' picks ruled in favour of it.

Trump has even failed to deliver for the evangelical Christian supporters which should have been the easiest group to shore up.
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Nobody can pretend the pandemic is a serious concern anymore. Not after one month of mass gatherings and rioting in US cities, which was endorsed by the good and the great despite the pandemic. That narrative is over.

Trump's base has abandoned him. He has done nothing for them. Sure, some people who care about moving the US embassy to Jerusalem or are so brainwashed they think Biden is a communist will still vote for him, but he is going to suffer a historic defeat in November.



What is a conservative these days? Just in June the Supreme Court ruled to expand LGBTQ rights. Neil Gorsuch, one of Trumps supposedly rock solid 'conservative' picks ruled in favour of it.

Trump has even failed to deliver for the evangelical Christian supporters which should have been the easiest group to shore up.
No matter whether Trump is still in politics by the next election the republicans will be in power after the next election.

People have seen through the violent protests by the left so the majority of Americans will vote republican.

Most people don't turn up to Trump rallys not because of Trump or lack of support for the republican party, but because most people don't go to political rally's.

They'll vote republican, wait and see


I said this a few years ago here and I was ran out of the page by Hillary supporters I got some sh1t I'll tell you.

But wait now and the republicans will be in power after the next election
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