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View Poll Results: Who Will The Dems pick in 2020
Harris 51 6.09%
Bernie 205 24.46%
Clinton 27 3.22%
Brooker 8 0.95%
Biden 352 42.00%
Gillbrand 6 0.72%
Oprah! 41 4.89%
Warren 85 10.14%
Klobuchar 7 0.84%
Michelle Obama 44 5.25%
Cuomo 12 1.43%
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19-09-2020, 11:05   #6451
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In terms of the Presidential election I think it may be better for Trump NOT to have his pick confirmed before the election. He can nominate some rabid pro-Jesus, pro-Life, pro-Second Amendment Federalist judge and leave that hanging there going into the election. That might win over some Republicans who were thinking of voting for Biden or sitting this one out. If the pick is already confirmed they don't have the same immediate incentive to vote for him.
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19-09-2020, 12:51   #6452
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In terms of the Presidential election I think it may be better for Trump NOT to have his pick confirmed before the election. He can nominate some rabid pro-Jesus, pro-Life, pro-Second Amendment Federalist judge and leave that hanging there going into the election. That might win over some Republicans who were thinking of voting for Biden or sitting this one out. If the pick is already confirmed they don't have the same immediate incentive to vote for him.
I think he'll be nominating Amy Coney Barrett. But he wont want it done and dusted b4 the election. They'll squeeze more votes out of keeping an open seat going into the election. The message will be Vote Trump and go Rep down ballot to ensure they keep the Senate and prevent the God-hating, Gun-removing, Baby murdering, Communist loving Democrats from winning back the Supreme Court seat and instead have a staunch God-fearing, Abortion stopping, Gun rights protecting, America loving, Law and order supporting Republican seat on the Court for a generation...
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That's a valid argument actually. Could be more valuable for them to run on the seat especially down ballot.
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19-09-2020, 13:38   #6454
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On the flip side Mitch McConnell and all of the Republicans will want to get this done before the election to lock it in in case Trump loses. So there could be a battle there between Trump and the Republicans about when to hold the Senate confirmation hearings.

Not sure if the Democrats can do anything to stop it in a scenario where Biden wins and the Republican Senate then try and ram it through in a lame-duck session before January.
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On the flip side Mitch McConnell and all of the Republicans will want to get this done before the election to lock it in in case Trump loses. So there could be a battle there between Trump and the Republicans about when to hold the Senate confirmation hearings.

Not sure if the Democrats can do anything to stop it in a scenario where Biden wins and the Republican Senate then try and ram it through in a lame-duck session before January.
If either Trump loses or Reps lose the majority, they could still proceed to confirmation after Nov 3 up until end of Senate session in December. There would be no legal barrier to Mc Connell doing so. The current Senators remain until end of year, EXCEPT if Mc Sally loses her seat in Arizona's Special Election (shes in the Jon Kyl seat to which she was nominated by the Governor after he resigned in December 2018). If Mc Sally loses to Mark Kelly (Dem) he would take over the remainder of that seat's term of office and could be sworn in soon after the Special Election possibly end November.

So a loss by McSally would leave McConnell with a very slim 52-48 majority after Kelly is sworn in.

I'd see a confirmation in November being the railroad option most likely to be favoured by McConnell. Also, if Reps lose the Senate majority and the Presidency, they could put Justice Clarence Thomas's seat into play as well..

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Lindsey Graham, current Chairman of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary back in 2016..

https://twitter.com/vanitaguptaCR/st...53104941518848

He also has an election of his own this November coming.
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I'd see a confirmation in November being the railroad option most likely to be favoured by McConnell. Also, if Reps lose the Senate majority and the Presidency, they could put Justice Clarence Thomas's seat into play as well..
In this scenario could the Senate Democrats choose not to show up meaning a quorum could not be reached or anything like that?

That sort of thing has definitely happened at state levels in recent years. I recall in one state, law enforcement being tasked with rounding up members of the legislature after a court ordered them to return.
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In this scenario could the Senate Democrats choose not to show up meaning a quorum could not be reached or anything like that?

That sort of thing has definitely happened at state levels in recent years. I recall in one state, law enforcement being tasked with rounding up members of the legislature after a court ordered them to return.
There's nothing the Democrats can do to stop this, outide of assassination. The Republican's will control the SC for the next decade most likely
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In this scenario could the Senate Democrats choose not to show up meaning a quorum could not be reached or anything like that?
I think the Senate quorum is a simple majority, so 51.
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There's nothing the Democrats can do to stop this, outide of assassination. The Republican's will control the SC for the next decade most likely
If they hold all 3 other branches of government I think they have quite a lot of latitude.

They could totally change how it works - a panel of sitting judges drawn from 15, say, where 6-9 of whom are selected in the next presidential term.
Or just pack it with as many judges as they like.


There's no constitutional limit on the number of justices on the SC, as far as I'm aware.

It will depend first on securing the presidency, then the senate (I don't think there's much chance of losing the house), and then whether or not the Dems have any balls.
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If they hold all 3 other branches of government I think they have quite a lot of latitude.

They could totally change how it works - a panel of sitting judges drawn from 15, say, where 6-9 of whom are selected in the next presidential term.
Or just pack it with as many judges as they like.


There's no constitutional limit on the number of justices on the SC, as far as I'm aware.

It will depend first on securing the presidency, then the senate (I don't think there's much chance of losing the house), and then whether or not the Dems have any balls.
They won't win the senate imo
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There's nothing the Democrats can do to stop this, outide of assassination. The Republican's will control the SC for the next decade most likely
Firstly the Republicans already control the supreme court. What is in play now is a powerful 6-3 majority with another far right activist judge who will be around for a lot longer then the next decade. The US has for a while now been lurching further and further to the right as a country and this situation will allow the Republicans to push their anti democratic agenda on steroids. Watch for a mass of voter suppression laws being enacted at state level as an example and if anything is challenged the so called supreme court will be basically a rubber stamp to allow it.
What is particularly scary for Ireland and the world is that not only will the US lurch even further to the far right but we are likely to see this take on a very much ominous authoritarian tone as we have seen increasingly the past few years.
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Firstly the Republicans already control the supreme court. What is in play now is a powerful 6-3 majority with another far right activist judge who will be around for a lot longer then the next decade. The US has for a while now been lurching further and further to the right as a country and this situation will allow the Republicans to push their anti democratic agenda on steroids. Watch for a mass of voter suppression laws being enacted at state level as an example and if anything is challenged the so called supreme court will be basically a rubber stamp to allow it. What is particularly scary for Ireland and the world is that not only will the US lurch even further to the far right but we are likely to see this take on a very much ominous authoritarian tone as we have seen increasingly the past few years.

Completely agree, it does look like history repeats itself, anyone building gas chambers at the moment!
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I think he'll be nominating Amy Coney Barrett. But he wont want it done and dusted b4 the election. They'll squeeze more votes out of keeping an open seat going into the election. The message will be Vote Trump and go Rep down ballot to ensure they keep the Senate and prevent the God-hating, Gun-removing, Baby murdering, Communist loving Democrats from winning back the Supreme Court seat and instead have a staunch God-fearing, Abortion stopping, Gun rights protecting, America loving, Law and order supporting Republican seat on the Court for a generation...
I'll put my fiver on Lagoa. Nominated before the election, hearings before the election, but not voted on until afterwards.

Just how much do the Democrats want to be seen on TV just before the election to be preventing a Hispanic female from a swing state from being appointed to SCOTUS, especially since she is well regarded and when they voted on her appointment to the 11th Circuit 80-15 in favor?
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Just how much do the Democrats want to be seen on TV just before the election to be preventing a Hispanic female from a swing state from being appointed to SCOTUS, especially since she is well regarded and when they voted on her appointment to the 11th Circuit 80-15 in favor?
Simple. They run on the principle that the next president gets to choose. The one the republicans came up with. It doesn't matter who it is.

Ah, good old principles. Remember those??
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