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13-02-2020, 18:11   #46
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Then the people building these structures and selling these structures test them and demonstrate by way of testing that they can meet the performance standards required for fire, heat loss and structure to name but a few.
Yes that is how 'other' products get passed. They will manufacture them to meet the laid down regs.

I can see no way how a log cabin could ever fail. Unless there is a fire reg which traps it? I honestly dont know.
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Yes that is how 'other' products get passed. They will manufacture them to meet the laid down regs.

I can see no way how a log cabin could ever fail. Unless there is a fire reg which traps it? I honestly dont know.
I'd hazard the ones in the OP at €57k fail on fire, insulation, air tightness.

To meet all these and pour foundation, sewer system and GET PLANNING - you'd have a small timber frame or block house built
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I'd hazard the ones in the OP at €57k fail on fire, insulation, air tightness.

To meet all these and pour foundation, sewer system and GET PLANNING - you'd have a small timber frame or block house built
You can build a timber house without foundations. Very easily done no problem.
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You can build a timber house without foundations. Very easily done no problem.
The founds for one would cost minimal money anyway.

It's getting a one off prefab up to modern building regs that is the really costly issue.

Remember the social housing modular build fiasco?
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Actually there are a lot of concrete built boats and yes they do float.
I already knew that.

Before you comment further, I did not do Civil Engineering, nor am I an idiot.
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I already knew that.

Before you comment further, I did not do Civil Engineering, nor am I an idiot.
Bad choice of words. I will never live that down.
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Main problem seems to be the regulations which probably need updating.
There are a couple of loopholes I've heard of that you can use to buy land and obtain planning. I don't want to get too specific but basically if you can justify your purchase of the property due to your value to the local area, that will be advantageous. Then if you have a temporary structure on the land for a certain period of time, then subject to planning, you can begin to develop it for the required purpose.

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People have already gone through this numerous times. If you must prove it to yourself go for it but you are going to be just trying to come up with a theory how it will be legal. Whatever you discover will not change reality. There are people living in them but at any point the council can arrive and say take it down. If you try to sell it you will be lucky and it will be a huge loss if you do.
Thanks for the input. You might want to relax a small bit. I'm not about to dive headfirst a bad investment. We're examining our options and I was looking for a bit of advice, which you've been good enough to give and I appreciate it.

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The back and forth is lovely but useless to the OP in ireland in 2020.

Tiny homes or log cabins contravene planning and do not meet building regs.

The council could have you demolish it at any stage.
They may or may not be safe in fire.
The seller will be long paid and long gone
You're right about that and it's definitely something to bear in mind. A camper van would be a lot more economical, safe and cost effective when you square up the two options.

This thread got very impassioned. It's not surprising, given the fact that sourcing a home is such an immense undertaking these days. There was an article in the paper the other day about a poet or writer or someone in a Gaeltacht area who had land belonging to his family and I think he couldn't get planning to develop the small modular structure he had on it because of the regulations they have around rural builds. His was a particularly isolated locality, I wish I could remember enough to search for the article because it's so relevant.
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The founds for one would cost minimal money anyway.

It's getting a one off prefab up to modern building regs that is the really costly issue.

Remember the social housing modular build fiasco?
I did see an eco kit house which was energy free passive house. It was imported from Germany and put on concrete blocks. No foundations. A fella I knew in Wicklow.
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For what reason. People do what 'they' want not what you think they should.

People live in modular and log cabins or timber house around the world. So how come they aren't any good?

The idea of arsing around in mud for 6 months building a house out of thousands of little pieces is so prehistoric it is beyond a joke.

Houses just like everything else should be made in factories efficiently out of suitable materials and assembled in a few days on site.

The idiocy of what we do now and the costs just do not make sense.
We do what we do now due to regulations and planning law, neither of which will be changed just because someting....somewhere..... Feel free to come back to real world when you get a chance.
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There are a couple of loopholes I've heard of that you can use to buy land and obtain planning. I don't want to get too specific but basically if you can justify your purchase of the property due to your value to the local area, that will be advantageous. Then if you have a temporary structure on the land for a certain period of time, then subject to planning, you can begin to develop it for the required purpose..
I'm afraid such loop holes are not in existence. At least not that I'm aware of.

Being advantageous to the local area is not a loophole it is a qualification for Local Needs.
Working in the area is generally another.
Being from the area is another.

Temp structure to permanent is a no go.
"Habitable" existing structures are a way of getting past the Local Needs.

All above varies with each local authority in fact i'm sure in some counties (I think Tipp or Waterford kinda areas) you could just buy a decent site and get planning. But deffo not in dublin, Meath, louth, kildare, wiklow, galway or anywhere people generally want to live for work.

Likes of Meath are going to close this down tightly by end 2020.
All talk is that you'll need to have 25 acres or so to get local needs. Building will be limited back to defined villages and towns.
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I did see an eco kit house which was energy free passive house. It was imported from Germany and put on concrete blocks. No foundations. A fella I knew in Wicklow.
I'm sure there is.
I'm also sure if it were cheaper than traditional build it would be advertised and theyd be everywhere.

BTW I'm all for prefabbed done right. Should be better finish than built on site in our weather. Just in construction the general rule is that anything prebuilt or forecast or prefabbed is dearer and you save by being efficient.
So an estate built in factory and dropped off trucks is dearer than building on site but by saving programme and site costs you make money
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I'm afraid such loop holes are not in existence. At least not that I'm aware of.

Being advantageous to the local area is not a loophole it is a qualification for Local Needs.
Working in the area is generally another.
Being from the area is another.

Temp structure to permanent is a no go.
"Habitable" existing structures are a way of getting past the Local Needs.

All above varies with each local authority in fact i'm sure in some counties (I think Tipp or Waterford kinda areas) you could just buy a decent site and get planning. But deffo not in dublin, Meath, louth, kildare, wiklow, galway or anywhere people generally want to live for work.

Likes of Meath are going to close this down tightly by end 2020.
All talk is that you'll need to have 25 acres or so to get local needs. Building will be limited back to defined villages and towns.

Getting a bit sidetracked but I thought I read somewhere that the whole local needs thing was being done away with?

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I'm sure there is.
I'm also sure if it were cheaper than traditional build it would be advertised and theyd be everywhere.

BTW I'm all for prefabbed done right. Should be better finish than built on site in our weather. Just in construction the general rule is that anything prebuilt or forecast or prefabbed is dearer and you save by being efficient.
So an estate built in factory and dropped off trucks is dearer than building on site but by saving programme and site costs you make money
Dunno but this thing wasnt cheap and he had the doors open because it was always too warm! It was about 10 years ago.
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Likes of Meath are going to close this down tightly by end 2020.
All talk is that you'll need to have 25 acres or so to get local needs. Building will be limited back to defined villages and towns.

Building in countryside then travelling to work is nuts. I blame all them tv programs.

Only people who work in countryside should be allowed to live there.
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Getting a bit sidetracked but I thought I read somewhere that the whole local needs thing was being done away with?
Talking to the engineers and planners in Meath the other day.
It wont be called local needs.
Basically their new development plan is going to cut any unnecessary builds down to defined villages and centres.
Necessary will be for those farming over a certain acreage only!! ...... so they get away from local needs altogether. Ideally they want no more one housing

Unless a politician or 2 gets in their way knowing this country.
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