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10-02-2020, 19:05   #46
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SF would say that there’s plenty of construction capacity but that it’s misdirected towards building offices, hotels, student accommodation and build for rent housing.

So is their plan to present a blank cheque to the developers in order to outbid those who want hotels, offices etc. built?
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SF would say that there’s plenty of construction capacity but that it’s misdirected towards building offices, hotels, student accommodation and build for rent housing.
And does that mean all of that has to stop so they can fulfil their promises?
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Moving on with a New government, a hugh import of foreign builders/developers are needed preferably Chinese obviously with a good track record in building with a contract to take on 50% young or Irish citizens as senior or as apprenticeships which will hopefully keep building and jobs going for the next 10 years and house our homeless.
Where are all these "hugh import of foreign builders/developers are needed preferably Chinese" going to live though?
And once they taste the quality of Irish life compared to Chinese life, how many of them will return to China after their contracts are finished?
They would have to be building a significant number of extra properties just to house themselves first.
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SF would say that there’s plenty of construction capacity but that it’s misdirected towards building offices, hotels, student accommodation and build for rent housing.
I do agree that we should be looking at the existing construction capacity rather than a mass import, however, the student accommodation is needed though because without it the students would just be competing with regular renters for regular private property.
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So is their plan to present a blank cheque to the developers in order to outbid those who want hotels, offices etc. built?
Double digit construction inflation in the pipeline!
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Short term : house buying stops dead while people sit back and wait to see

sf government :
lower incomes stop buying houses alltogether at the prospect of a free house
medium incomes stuck with property values flatlining or contracting slightly.
Upper incomes look into selling up before any kind of crash, taxation, seizure or wealth levy rolls round.

non sf government :
lower incomes buying increased due to lack of free housing on the horizon,
medium incomes buying, those who own already not selling as they cant compete with new properties and HTB schemes
upper incomes continue as before.
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Where are all these "hugh import of foreign builders/developers are needed preferably Chinese" going to live though?
And once they taste the quality of Irish life compared to Chinese life, how many of them will return to China after their contracts are finished?
They would have to be building a significant number of extra properties just to house themselves first.
If they are build a hospital in 10 days for 1,000 people and build a skyscraper in 2 weeks I don't envisage building temporary housing if materials and some land are provided by the state would take very long .Plenty of land sitting empty waiting on fast tracked developments that have never materialized in Dublin.
The temporary housing may well last longer than some of the crap that was thrown up in the Celtic Tiger Years...LOL


And will they stay here who knows? does anyone who comes to our country to work settle here full time?.
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Will funding for developers building estates dry up if Sinn Fein get in?
Any jitters about it n the purse strings tighten I reckon.
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Are people so reactionary that after seeing a field hospital being constructed quickly in China they think the solution to Irelands housing problems are getting a load of Chinese construction companies in to build.

You can ignore human rights for workers and throw up a load of tofu dregs. Standards of building in China can be really poor and there have been loads of scandals about it.
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Are people so reactionary that after seeing a field hospital being constructed quickly in China they think the solution to Irelands housing problems are getting a load of Chinese construction companies in to build.

You can ignore human rights for workers and throw up a load of tofu dregs. Standards of building in China can be really poor and there have been loads of scandals about it.
I think it's more a case of where these foreign workers will come from!
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Nothing will happen. 20k, 25k home pa. max output.
Ireland is just uncompetitive in attracting key resources (nurses, doctors, construction). Only the MNC can pay but they’re not Irish (American largely).

Anyone mentioning Chinese construction here is totally clueless. You’ve seen pics of the “hospital”? Looks more like containers. Poles and Romanians coming here? Their economies are booming, you can earn more on on German construction sites on top of that.
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The only experience of SF planning I've seen directly is Clonburris, where they massively jacked up the % of social housing and basically voted to create a huge public housing estate with little in the way of transport planning or opportunities.
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Are people so reactionary that after seeing a field hospital being constructed quickly in China they think the solution to Irelands housing problems are getting a load of Chinese construction companies in to build.

You can ignore human rights for workers and throw up a load of tofu dregs. Standards of building in China can be really poor and there have been loads of scandals about it.
Is it always an Irish reaction to look at the negatives and condemn the positives, to rely on Irish Developers of the past of the most dodgy building years to build solid safe homes.

We should be looking to China to see they built and city of the future in a 20 year timeframe and housed 22 million citizens,a cashless city and built an airport on the sea, China is just one example I'm sure other advancing countries could also be thrown into the debate.if we could also get young Irish builders working along side them as mentioned Apprenticeships , we could learn alot from them.
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The only experience of SF planning I've seen directly is Clonburris, where they massively jacked up the % of social housing and basically voted to create a huge public housing estate with little in the way of transport planning or opportunities.
Most Dublin people lived and came from Public housing in the 70's,80's ,most people had good neighbours and lived relatively safe until the boom years hit.

Government support dropped off hughly ,gardai numbers dwindled ,lack of access to many sporting facilities , councils rehousing bad tenants in a rotation chain lead to the Crime ridding estates we are seeing now.

If Councils had a zero tolerance in re housing bad tenants and injected large funding to those/these estates we may of had a different outcome.
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sf government :
lower incomes stop buying houses alltogether at the prospect of a free house

Upper incomes look into selling up before any kind of crash, taxation, seizure or wealth levy rolls round.
Lower incomes won't buy houses because they can't afford to buy houses and they are prevented due to the Central banks 3.5 income to loan ratio - that's going to be the case with any government.

And if the upper incomes sell their houses, where are they going to live?
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