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10-02-2020, 17:06   #31
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Build quality is bad enough as it is without putting up chinese Tofu Dregs buildings.
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I expect the housing situation to get worse rather than any better. We don't have the funds to take debt on the States books.

Unless we get a change in our bail out terms how will we pay for these properties.

I fear that we have not learned the lessons of the past and if we build vast amounts of social housing we will end up the same issues we had in Tallaght, Ballymun, Limerick from the 1980's onwards those that became no go area's where people did not want to live.
the gurriers are already all in their free accomodation for the most part. Its affordable housing for the working masses that I care about!
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They have not stated where they will get their money to fund their ideas. Explain how they expect money to be privately invested in the rental market when they are going to punish those that have? Do you think landlords are going to just accept it? I already sold one property and had plans to sell one more now I think I will sell them all. That is the reality they will create. Explain how that increases rental properties. They can't build property quickly enough to replace just what I am taking of the market in a few months let alone in a year
They have claimed it has been through the relevant government departments and has been costed. Rather than relying on noble landlords like yourself, the State will start building properties again so that is where the supply will come from. There is no evidence that SF can't do it at this stage whereas we see that FG have minimal appetite to dramatically reduce rents and make house prices climb down from their crazy heights. FF maybe have experience of encouraging mass building so maybe they can deliver. I just can't rule out SF to not deliver a better-functioning housing market than leaving it solely to the realm of investors to deliver housing. I voted FG 1 and 2 but I don't have any problem with SF.
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Build quality is bad enough as it is without putting up chinese Tofu Dregs buildings.
No more like this http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/201..._137131533.htm

or this :https://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/23/a-sk...-problems.html

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You could be right. .. so a roll back on SF promises... surely not ..
No, FG's fault obviously!
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The housing situation has turned around. Rents are now falling, the homeless numbers are dropping and house prices are leveling off. The next government will claim credit for the work done by the last one. The banks are still on life support and no government will be allowed to crash the housing market.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...inds-1.4161541


"Headline national rents have fallen for the first time since the middle of 2012, according to a new report released on Tuesday by property website Daft.ie.

According to the research, rents in December reduced incrementally, by just 0.1 per cent, compared to the previous three months. The decrease was driven by falling rents outside the five main cities.

Inside the main urban centres, rents continued to rise by 0.7 per cent across the three months, although they increased by a lower rate in Dublin than the city average for the rest of the State. Rents in the capital increased by 0.4 per cent."

so rip off rents in dublin are still increasing! I suppose there is a limit to what people can afford to pay, without starting to sell off organs
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Everyone needs to relax here, sf aren't in government yet, and if they do go into government, they ll be lucky to implement half of their manifesto, our housing issues are extremely complex, it certainly won't be solved by the incoming government
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Doesn't matter if the construction companies are irish or chinese or from the moon. It is the locally hired irish managers that will be the ones pulling the strokes and fast ones.

Anyway, with EU procurement rules can you cannnot narrow it down to companies from a certain country, let alone specify chinese only. You are talking out of your arse.
No need to be a Dick ,it would be more beneficial to the post it you could give more than one line digs.
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They have claimed it has been through the relevant government departments and has been costed. Rather than relying on noble landlords like yourself, the State will start building properties again so that is where the supply will come from. There is no evidence that SF can't do it at this stage whereas we see that FG have minimal appetite to dramatically reduce rents and make house prices climb down from their crazy heights. FF maybe have experience of encouraging mass building so maybe they can deliver. I just can't rule out SF to not deliver a better-functioning housing market than leaving it solely to the realm of investors to deliver housing. I voted FG 1 and 2 but I don't have any problem with SF.
They can claim away but they literally can't get the information before they are in government. They did their own costings not the civil servants

The EU regulation and planning laws don't disappear because SF says so. They can't just build social housing and be done. They know thus and they rely on the public not knowing.

How long will it take? While landlords leave the market and rental stock disappears there will be less to rent. This known consequences. It will take them at least a year to build even one extra property and where do the people live then? No place to rent and no place to live. That is SF plan.

After they build these mass housing what are the areas going to be like? The worst neighbourhoods are still former council housing estates. That is the problem with all social house around the world, they become slums and take decades to gentrify if you are lucky. Want to make another larger Fingas or Ballymun? That is what we will end up with.

They also have to go against our constitution about ownership of property to stop the state from seizing it. Put there due to how English rule worked. The irony the SF would break this right is lost on most. They want to dictate what the irish people do with their own property.
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the morons plan loads of 4-5 floor development down on the irigh glass bottle site. Its the vision like this, that has people commuting 4-5 hours a day , instead of 4-5 minutes on a bike or public transport from ther IGBS to the mass employment in the docklands!

Massively curtailing development and then wondering why there is a homes and funding shortage! LOL!

they can also house tens of thousands in dublin port, if they move it, as has been discussed before...

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Well, there isn't going to be any large amount of houses built for 3+ years - planning, land issues, financing

we don't have the manpower to build loads of new houses
SF would say that there’s plenty of construction capacity but that it’s misdirected towards building offices, hotels, student accommodation and build for rent housing.
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"Headline national rents have fallen for the first time since the middle of 2012, according to a new report released on Tuesday by property website Daft.ie.

According to the research, rents in December reduced incrementally, by just 0.1 per cent, compared to the previous three months. The decrease was driven by falling rents outside the five main cities.

Inside the main urban centres, rents continued to rise by 0.7 per cent across the three months, although they increased by a lower rate in Dublin than the city average for the rest of the State. Rents in the capital increased by 0.4 per cent."

so rip off rents in dublin are still increasing! I suppose there is a limit to what people can afford to pay, without starting to sell off organs
Rents are dropping in Dublin. Those statistics are skewed by new releases. When existing properties are turned around the new rent is often lower than the old. There are properties let under market value which had 4% increase applied and that shows up as rising rent but it is nothing of the sort. It takes up to two years for changes in the rental market to show in published statistics. The reality is that rents have stooped rising since early last year ad are now falling back.
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They also have to go against our constitution about ownership of property to stop the state from seizing it. Put there due to how English rule worked. The irony the SF would break this right is lost on most. They want to dictate what the irish people do with their own property.
Rubbish.
Private property is in the constitution but is balanced with the "public good".
High rent represents a transfer of wealth from working people to owners.

It's gotten so unbalanced now that high rent is contrary to the public good.
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/ren...29058-Dec2019/
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Doesn't matter if the construction companies are irish or chinese or from the moon. It is the locally hired irish managers that will be the ones pulling the strokes and fast ones.

Anyway, with EU procurement rules can you cannnot narrow it down to companies from a certain country, let alone specify chinese only. You are talking out of your arse.
To answer you arseways Eu procurement line, it states The EU law on procurement requires public bodies to open up higher-value contract opportunities to bids across European Union. ........Meaning it requires EU countries to open up contracts to more European countries it doesn't state that we have to pick a European country just consider them in the running for Builder/developer Contracts if that's what you are trying to say?.......No doubt another FG supporter licking there wounds from the beating of the electorate..

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Rubbish.
Private property is in the constitution but is balanced with the "public good".
High rent represents a transfer of wealth from working people to owners.

It's gotten so unbalanced now that high rent is contrary to the public good.
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/ren...29058-Dec2019/
That is on an individual level on a particular piece of property. A case has to be made on an individual property. You are suggesting that the government can deem all privately owned rented property can be compulsory purchased. That is against our consititusion and EU law. That is why they can't. The article is an opinion and would be challenged and have to have a ruling in a court. You have to realise many people rent out property they inherited which would be family homes and some plan to live in them in the future too. That is severely a step to curtail individuals rights that won't get the support you think. It is the act of a totatarism government.

Simply even if they win their case it will take years to get a judgment. During that time it will stop investment, not freeze rents or change rights. You can have your social ideals all you like about wealth transfer but reality will remain.

According to you the time and effort my family spent saving buildings and putting them to use again os wealth transfer! We wouldn't do it if we weren't going to be paid and there would be no service to use if we didn't. Somebody has to get paid to do the work so you propose the government pay people to do this and self finance.
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