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19-01-2019, 20:13   #1
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Solicitor Fees - Over Charged ?

Hi Folks,

Just looking for some advice on the below
I'm in the final stage of buying a property and have just received the Costs from my Solicitor .All Prices Below Include VAT .

First I received two itemized Bills.
Purchase of Property
  1. Professional Fees €2,100
    Miscellaneous Fees €123
    Commissioners Fees €20
    Law Searchers €175
    Registry of Deed Fees On Deeds €50

Application To Property Registration Authority for First Registration
  1. Professional Fees €553
    Miscellaneous Fees €90
    Commissioners Fees €20
    Law Searchers €100
    Registry of Deed Fees On Deeds €50
    Property Registration Authority Fee On Application €130
    Property Registration Authority Fee On Application €175
    Copy Folio €40

Does the Above Seem Correct ? . This is in Limerick on a standard 10 year old house.
I have no problem withe the majority of the other Legal fees , But is it usual to receive two charges for Professional Fees Totaling €2650 ? .Likewise charged twice for miscellaneous fees ?

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19-01-2019, 20:33   #2
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Looks like you are buying a property that, up until now, has title deeds that are registered in the Registry of Deeds. They have to be registered in the Land Registry now.

Also looks like you are taking out a mortgage? Outlays breakdown looks a bit odd, it seems strange to me to divide it up, but different styles, I guess. My comments on what I think is going on below.

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Purchase of Property
Professional Fees €2,100
Miscellaneous Fees €123
Commissioners Fees €20 For the mortgage
Law Searchers €175
Registry of Deed Fees On Deeds €50 Fees on transfer deed

Application To Property Registration Authority for First Registration Most solicitors would charge an additional fee for a first registration.
Professional Fees €553
Miscellaneous Fees €90
Commissioners Fees €20 Unnecessary on a form 3 First Registration
Law Searchers €100 ditto
Registry of Deed Fees On Deeds €50 Fees on mortgage deed
Property Registration Authority Fee On Application €130 Form 3 First Registration
Property Registration Authority Fee On Application €175 Unnecessary This would correlate with registration fees on a mortgage - but in a First Registration it's included in the price
Copy Folio €40

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Looks like you are buying a property that, up until now, has title deeds that are registered in the Registry of Deeds. They have to be registered in the Land Registry now.

Also looks like you are taking out a mortgage? Outlays breakdown looks a bit odd, it seems strange to me to divide it up, but different styles, I guess. My comments on what I think is going on below.
Thanks for Your Thoughts Juke .Yes thats right , he is handling the Mortgage aspect also.
Do you think the Professional Fees are a bit on the steep Side ?
For Some reason I thought/Was expecting 1700-2000 including Vat based on searching around.
Bearing in Mind I also had to Pay Another Third party Solicitor an Additional €650 based on my own solicitors advise as he wanted to be certain on an one aspect of the property purchase (Review of Title/Deeds).
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I probably charge fees on the higher end of the scale - so I think the fees are about right. I know there's plenty solicitors that charge less.

HOWEVER, what were you quoted?

Note - I edited my post above. Your solicitor really needs to explain the outlays.

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Ironically Enough , This was the one Solicitor That i didn't get a quote from .
I had Rang around a few local places and they were Substantially less.
However a relative mentioned the above Solicitor as a "family friend" and said he would look after me , which he did say he would....

If your saying these prices sound right , then i Guess Ill just put it down to a learning experience
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I thought by law solicitors had to quote fees up front for conveyancing?
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Those professional fees are a tad high for conveyancing..

Not sure where you're based but our solicitor is half that for that work.
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I thought by law solicitors had to quote fees up front for conveyancing?
They have to quote upfront for all work
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Those professional fees are a tad high for conveyancing..

Not sure where you're based but our solicitor is half that for that work.
Solicitor is Based in Cork .
Was that Recently out of curiosity ? .
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They have to quote upfront for all work

No Quote Asked For by myself, and No quote Given by him at the beginning .
Does this leave me with much options ?
Obviously Im going to pay , It would just be nice to say , "You should have quoted me at the beginning ?!"

Wouldn't this just be a case of "Buyer Beware" on my part though (In terms of solicitor quote) ?
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Purchase of Property
  1. Professional Fees €2,100

Cheers,

Went through the process about 18 months ago (id say). My professional fee was literally half of yours (€1,050).


EDIT: Just went back and checked the actual invoice. Unsure now if the 'professional fee' was exactly €1,050 (though that's what I have in my head, but I just checked the invoice and it says:

"Plus Fees and outlays re purchase € 2,086.50"

So that was my all-in price (minus stamp duty).

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Solicitor is Based in Cork .
Was that Recently out of curiosity ? .
Using him for the third time in four years right now actually
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No Quote Asked For by myself, and No quote Given by him at the beginning .
Does this leave me with much options ?
Obviously Im going to pay , It would just be nice to say , "You should have quoted me at the beginning ?!"

Wouldn't this just be a case of "Buyer Beware" on my part though (In terms of solicitor quote) ?
A solicitor is obliged to set out in advance the basis upon which they intend charging. In conveyancing, this is generally a fixed quote.

If I were you, at a minimum, I would let him know you are surprised at the level of fees and ask him to go through them with you.
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Went through the process about 18 months ago (id say). My professional fee was literally half of yours (€1,050).


EDIT: Just went back and checked the actual invoice. Unsure now if the 'professional fee' was exactly €1,050 (though that's what I have in my head, but I just checked the invoice and it says:

"Plus Fees and outlays re purchase € 2,086.50"

So that was my all-in price (minus stamp duty).
Cheers for the above info, The other Solicitors I inquired with where more closer to what you've said above. Max quoted was €1,800, with the average being in the range of 1400 to 1600. So You can imagine my shock when i got billed this week .
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If I were you, at a minimum, I would let him know you are surprised at the level of fees and ask him to go through them with you.
Will do juke ! .
Ill Bring the other quotes with me to back up my claim about it not being what i expected.
It will be interesting to see what he says .
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