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14-02-2020, 19:11   #241
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You really aren't understanding what is being said here nor the link you are posting.

There are tons of caluses there. What that says is the judge takes into consideration income and responsibilities. So like I said it will mean any court order will be for a minuscule amount over a very long period. The debt is never paid off and it costs more than will ever be paid back.

You are talking about an ideal when we are talking about reality and real world effects. I worked on this I know it inside out. I know the reason for the law change. Very simple it was so they could enforce LPT and water charges. It wasn't to recover other debts. Relatively small amounts that could be deducted every year and force compliance.

I am responding to the claim that one cannot get an attachment order on social welfare payments. One can.

That it is impossible to recoup money from somebody with no means is self evident.




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Interesting. If I am reading this right, you have to go to the district court and prove they have the means to pay it to get the order right?

Assuming its successful, what's the ROI on the solicitor fees for that?
You have to go to the District Court to get an enforcement order in any case.
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No Government is going to sanction an attachment to SW payments for rent owed. Anti-landlords sentiment is to strong for that to be considered. Landlords are “greedy”, no politician wants to be seen to be on their side yet many politicians are also LLs. In the eyes of many, LLs are a necessary evil, everyone acknowledges they are essential for the rental sector to exist, but they should not profit from their service. It’s bonkers, it is almost that they should operate as benevolent providers for the masses.
Your rant is confused about the roles of the government and the judiciary.
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14-02-2020, 19:32   #242
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I am responding to the claim that one cannot get an attachment order on social welfare payments. One can.

That it is impossible to recoup money from somebody with no means is self evident.
You have to go to the District Court to get an enforcement order in any case.
Your rant is confused about the roles of the government and the judiciary.
It isn’t a rant. When seeking an attachment to SW payments, regard must be had to the debtor’s particular circumstances including financial circumstances. Deductions may not be made to the extent that they would cause the net scheme payments to the judgement debtor to fall below a certain level. No judge would allow SW payment to fall below the level necessary for an individual/family to get by.

Governments enact legislation for the judiciary. No Government would introduce legislation that makes it mandatory for SW to pat rent owed to LLs on the basis of an application only being made.

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I am responding to the claim that one cannot get an attachment order on social welfare payments. One can.

That it is impossible to recoup money from somebody with no means is self evident.



Yes you are right it can be done. Can't be changed to actually happen in any practical way


You have to go to the District Court to get an enforcement order in any case.


Your rant is confused about the roles of the government and the judiciary.
In all practical and realistically terms it is pointless. Like saying you will be fined for speeding every time but you have to be caught and then prosecuted and if you go to the court if you object and the garda has to turn up. It like a very elaborate locking mechanism. Things have to really really line up

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15-02-2020, 06:15   #244
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Jacinda Ardern progressive government....interesting read

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-disillusioned


It has halted the sale of public housing and banned foreign buyers, but the wait for a state house is at a record high and tens of millions of dollars are being spent on emergency motel rooms to house the growing homeless population.

Restrictive and time-consuming building regulations, the high cost of land and a shortage of skilled labourers also contributed to the failure of the scheme. The high cost of the homes billed as “affordable” also turned off people, with two-bedroom homes going for upwards of NZ$500,000.


Sounds familiar for anyone in Ireland?
Houses, education and healthcare simply cannot be “build cheaply” in China and imported. One house to build and maintain is the lifetime tax-take of an average earner couple. Sinn Fein won’t solve anything.
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Sounds familiar for anyone in Ireland? Houses, education and healthcare simply cannot be “build cheaply†in China and imported. One house to build and maintain is the lifetime tax-take of an average earner couple. Sinn Fein won’t solve anything.

Again sf aren't in government yet, and it's looking unlikely they will be, so people truly need to relax, normal ffg service will probably resume soon
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Jacinda Ardern progressive government....interesting read

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-disillusioned


It has halted the sale of public housing and banned foreign buyers, but the wait for a state house is at a record high and tens of millions of dollars are being spent on emergency motel rooms to house the growing homeless population.

Restrictive and time-consuming building regulations, the high cost of land and a shortage of skilled labourers also contributed to the failure of the scheme. The high cost of the homes billed as “affordable” also turned off people, with two-bedroom homes going for upwards of NZ$500,000.


Sounds familiar for anyone in Ireland?
Houses, education and healthcare simply cannot be “build cheaply” in China and imported. One house to build and maintain is the lifetime tax-take of an average earner couple. Sinn Fein won’t solve anything.
House prices in new Zealand are way higher than in Ireland to boot
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House prices in new Zealand are way higher than in Ireland to boot
It’s all relative as their incomes are higher as well
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It’s all relative as their incomes are higher as well
Not massively- the median income in NZ last year was EUR52k, versus EUR48k here. The big difference is taxation- in Ireland we have a marginal rate of taxation that tops out at 52% (when you factor PRSI/USC etc into the equation) whereas in NZ its a much more manageable 33% (though their rate of Corporation tax is three times ours).

Its a game of swings and roundabouts.
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It’s all relative as their incomes are higher as well
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-...ectid=12172282

Figures show the median annual income for a New Zealand man working full-time is $56,700 and for a woman that amount is almost $10,000 less, at $47,500, according to the latest available income statistics from Stats NZ.

$56.7k is €33k median. Sounds the same as Ireland, taxes are low here to at that income band. House prices are indeed higher and puts Ireland in perspective. In Ireland everything has to be free and paid by others - If not it’s greed.
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Very good thread on the type of housing that should be persued
https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/sta...268538885?s=19
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It’s all relative as their incomes are higher as well


even in small towns , house prices are very high in new zealand , not the case in ireland

building standards far lower than here too
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Very good thread on the type of housing that should be persued
https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/sta...268538885?s=19
Orla Hegarty is an anti-highrise activist who bases all her views on housing, based on the false premise that land is non-hedonic. That may work for public housing being built on public land, but it is not the case for private development built on private land in this country. Unless invoke constitutional change on this matter, land in this country will always be hedonic. Her interest is first and foremost is stopping high-medium rise development in Dublin rather than solving the housing crisis.
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Orla Hegarty is an anti-highrise activist who bases all her views on housing, based on the false premise that land is non-hedonic. That may work for public housing being built on public land, but it is not the case for private development built on private land in this country. Unless invoke constitutional change on this matter, land in this country will always be hedonic. Her interest is first and foremost is stopping high-medium rise development in Dublin rather than solving the housing crisis.
Nope, she points out that high rise does not equal affordability as once you go over 6 storeys, the construction price increases dramatically. Or in other words, name an affordable high high rise?. Office blocks, hotels etc can do this and make a return, the equivalent for residential is only available for the higher earners. This is based on the construction costs study done by the department.
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15-02-2020, 15:26   #254
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We are in the eu, in theory we are close to millions of workers,
new zealand is not ireland.the government owns 1000,s of acres, of land.
We could reduce costs by building higher , new zealand and australia have higher house,s prices than ireland.
Its not likely that people from the eu will travel to new zealand to build house,s .
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Its not likely that people from the eu will travel to new zealand to build house,s .
Plenty of Irish have done just that over the past decade.
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