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13-02-2020, 21:43   #46
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no ones dying,the worst off are maybe children who live in a hotel room for years .
IF people want the economy to grow , we need 20k housing units per year to be built.this includes social housing .
Some companys will stop coming to ireland as there is a shortage of quality rental units for workers on a average wage.
fg and fianna gael have a policy to provide social housing.
that includes housing for pensioners , people on disability allowance.
dublin city council have 1000,s of people on the housing list,
they cannot say would you like a house in kerry or donegal.the reason why people go to citys and urban area,s is thats where the new jobs are .
Maybe things will get better if theres fast broadband avaidable in every rural town and more people can work from home .
people are also objecting to new apartment blocks, in certain area,s which are not social housing units.
things may get better since the rule,s have changed to allow 10-15 storey buildings in the city centre .

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13-02-2020, 22:30   #47
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Says the thirty something who still lives at home (rurally) with his Ma - for free.
Irrelevant, It’s not costing the tax payer and I’ll be paying a large amount of money (and associated taxes) and employing a number of people to build my own house very shortly.
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They don't have to house them in better housing in prime locations than people paying their own way.

There are towns complaining about depopulation they could house people.

The highest positions on housing lists will be single parents with no jobs. That is how the lists work so they will get effectively free houses because all their income is state benefits. Equivalent salary for a parent with 3 kids and in state benefits is around €60k income. That jumps up if they have a house in a nice area provided.
How so? They don’t own the house so its value doesn’t benefit them.
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Irrelevant, It’s not costing the tax payer and I’ll be paying a large amount of money (and associated taxes) and employing a number of people to build my own house very shortly.
Which makes your comments on social housing developments in Dublin, irrelevant.
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Working people need social housing.
We need affordable housing for working people on lower incomes , people's issues generally is houses for people who don't work
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Whilst I understand why some people don't want new social housing built in the capital and parrot "why does it have to be in Dublin" , Dublin does require it. Imagine the state of Dublin if there were no cleaners/ sweepers, nobody in employment in retail or any other lower paid job... The city would cease to function.
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Whilst I understand why some people don't want new social housing built in the capital and parrot "why does it have to be in Dublin" , Dublin does require it. Imagine the state of Dublin if there were no cleaners/ sweepers, nobody in employment in retail or any other lower paid job... The city would cease to function.
Cleaners and sweepers being incapable of commuting, of course.
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AFAIK the Council won't consider 100% social housing if there is a very large amount of it in an area, and will therefore consider 100% if otherwise.
My estate of 200 or so houses has social and affordable, some ejits but no big problems either. They're to finish off the estate with 35 social houses but this wasn't advertised, as in the planning permissions was saying it was going to give 3 houses for part v or 10%social housing requirement. Now, I don't have an issue with it, but again this is not being advertised. It would be better and more transparent if they was done up front and centre and not a deal done behind closed doors with a housing body after the planing permission was granted.
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How so? They don’t own the house so its value doesn’t benefit them.
If the state provide housing in an area where the rent is €1000 a month and also provide a place in an area that is €2000 somebody is getting a greater benefit. If you are comparing that as equivalent salary it is a substantial amount. It is an extra €12k a year after tax equivalent which is roughly €24k before tax.

They also do benefit from price rises if they apply to buy the property which is sold at a huge discount.

People in london became millionaires from buy their council housing and then selling it.
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They also do benefit from price rises if they apply to buy the property which is sold at a huge discount.

People in london became millionaires from buy their council housing and then selling it.
The state should never sell off their social housing stock.
It's supposed to be for people that cannot house themselves. When they can house themselves, then they should go buy a house for themselves.
If they can't, they stay in social housing, getting moved into suitable accommodation at their needs change.
Eg, when a family has grown up, the remaining parents should be moved into smaller accommodation, freeing up bigger houses for bigger younger families & so on.
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Cleaners and sweepers being incapable of commuting, of course.
Yes, because they are low paid and therefor cannot afford a long commute.

Of course, businesses would not want to pay a wage that would enable a commute.
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If it was a luxury apartment complex the older families of Chapelizod would still object

Serial objectors there
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If it was a luxury apartment complex the older families of Chapelizod would still object

Serial objectors there
Plenty of private apartments have been built there over the years. All well maintained and looking really good!

Trap a Lizard (we always called it that, or Chappo) has form for trying to preserve its cute little village, and fair dues to them. But try parking outside the shop to get a bottle of milk and you will see that it is choked with traffic. Always. At least the site on the main road is not in the middle of the village.

But to be fair, it is really a prime site, and needs to be built well and look good. And I do hope that those who get the properties in the end are working, and/ or older people from the area. Only fair really to those working in the City who have to travel for miles to get there, and cannot afford to live in Chappo.
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in mulhuddart locals are stopping social nousing which is currently been builth as they themselves werent offered any of them i.e. the protesters or their families.
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