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"Book readers" - Season 8 Episode 6 "The Iron Throne" - Spoilers post 2 forward
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mrkiscool2 wrote: »I sure hope so, that was just...bad. Like, people complained about the last episode. I didn't, mainly as I can understand it and there was things there. But there is no defending this. It was horrid.
Hoping that the previous episodes didn't have any influence on your opinion on this episode. Why was this episode terrible? What parts did not make sense or what did you not like about it?RobbingBandit wrote: »Cersei paid off the iron bank with the Highgarden wealth, Sam is a bloody novice he hasn't even forged his chain yet now he's Grand Maestar.
I believe Sam being promoted to Grand Maester is only there to serve as TV material. Sam has very little Maester training, let alone 40 years which is required. You could argue that he's something of a prodigy, but it's the conclave that decides who the Grand Maester to the Iron Throne will be, not the king. The reason why I think there might be an exception here, if you could believe that, is that Sam has been and absolute integral element in fighting the Night King, he also healed Ser Jorah Mormont of Grey Scale, is incredibly knowledgeable when it comes to the history of Westeros and killed a whitewalker. Sam, Sam killed a fcuking white walker.Poor Tyrion those opening scenes poor poor Tyrion.
Oh man, I really feel for the guy. He chose the wrong queen and now his brother and sister are dead, along with countless innocents. I believe he's remorseful for his sisters death as he still had some hope she would cop on.Ser Pod the chair pusher.
I love this character. Looks like he's Kingsguard now? Still a little too young and inexperienced, but that's TV.How in the duck was the city including the port back up and running after a few weeks, these guys and their team of writers are gonna **** up Star Wars worse than Jar Jar
That port would have been running within hours/days of the battle, as it's logistically essential. Armies are amazing at this sort of thing.The Hound Gone Wild wrote: »The line about Tyrion not being mentioned in the Histories after Roberts rebellion sum up what the show became, nonsensical throwaway lines for a cheap laugh.
Tyrion's capture by Catelyn sparked the war of the 5 kings. He served as hand for 3 monarchs, and master of coin for a time. Was on trial for killing one king, defeated another at The Blackwater & killed the head of house lannister. Was married to the Queen in the North.
None of that worth a mention?
I think, and I am hoping, that it's just a joke and that Tyrion is in fact mentioned in the book several times.I liked watching the episode. Then I started to think about it more
Why didn't Grey Worm just kill Jon Snow? Why make him a prisoner?
Grey Worm is still a soldier and will do as commanded, that's how I understand it. It would be really out of character, and crappy writing, for Grey Worm to kill Jon.Why is Grey Worm letting Tyrion, his other prisoner, decide who should be King?
TV :P, I am not really sure to be honest.Why is everybody agreeing for Jon to go to the Wall, in order to satisfy an army who is leaving?
Is execution the alternative for Jon?The White Wolf wrote: »I find it difficult to believe the Unsullied and Dotraki played ball even if it was in their own interest.
I am not 100% sure what you mean here. Is it that they went home? I don't think they belonged in Westeros and I think they knew that too.They could have still had that ending in the North if Jon had just flown off on Drogon. Keeping him in Kings Landing as a prisoner where Greyworm had been slitting throats of prisoners not ten minutes prior just seemed ridiculous.
Grey worm was following orders. He's a soldier. It's all he knows.pinkypinky wrote: »Edmure tried to offer himself as king.
Was that what he was doing? I thought he was building himself up to declare. Never even thought of Edmure declaring himself. What a gobshíte :PThings I didn't like:
Why would Brienne not mention that Jaime knighted her?
As above, Tyrion should absolutely be mentioned in the book.
Bran as king. Yeah, he's grand but zero personality
That 2 full seasons could have made this ending more satisfying but I suppose it'll do.
Is it customary to write who knighted who in the Kingsguard book? It may have been done before, but I don't think it's too important.
I think Bran, although somewhat sucker punching me, is a good choice for a king. It fits with "breaking the wheel" and he has no vested interests from what I can see. Bran has shown to be a good leader previously, when he tells Maester Luwin "if we can't help them when they need us, why should they help us" (that's not an accurate quote, sorry). He is honorable. I believe his quote in the show when Meera Reed asked him about him being Brandon; “I’m not, really. Not anymore. I remember what it felt like to be Brandon Stark, but I remember so much else now.”Frankie5Angels wrote: »Sansa: was always going to come out of this with something. Liked her consistency in that she wouldn't even bend the knee to Bran.
Great character. Really enjoyed her development and she really knew how to play the game. I think if there's a winner here, it's Sansa.Jon: Follows the fate of Aemon Tagaryen it would seem. Glad Ghost finally got the attention he deserved, but a bit of a 'meh' ending for Jon. Being held prisoner, saying nothing of his birthright in the end...hmmmm.
However much I wanted him to become the king and for everybody to have a big group hug at the end. It's not true to his nature. I think he would make a terrible leader. Remember Tywins lecture to Tommen about the previous kings and their flaws, well if they spoke about Jon, being too honorable would have been his flaw.No Worm: Worst character in the series. Useless. Beyond useless. Hated him. Makes Jar Jar Binks look like an Oscar-winning role. Corny ould sh1te sending him off to Naath. He killed a lot of innocents, he should have been killed.
Many opportunities to introduce some color to this drab, boring and almost pointless character. I really wanted to like him, but the accent and the blandness of him (and the unsullied) was just awful.Tyrion: His decline as a character in this season is horrific. From mastermind to idiot. Pretty unrealistic end too: 'you shouldn't let me speak, for me speaking has resulted in many dying'. *speaks anyway, names Bran king*. Everyone else: "let's listen to the prisoner in ragged clothes who's responsible for the death of many and make Bran king and also change the way our ruler is chosen".
The Lords and Ladies present know Tyrion and even though he is a prisoner to a foreigner (how long are the unsullied in westeros?), there's an element of respect. They know he's smart and what he has to say, even if the show butchered that in the last couple of episodes, is worth listening to.Arya: Ugh.
Careful now...Bronn: what a terrible end to a great character.
Oh I couldn't disagree more. A sellsword who has risen up to be on the small council. What a glorious ending.Drogon: I'm not sure why he didn't roast Jon (who prob would have survived) when he realised Dany was brown bread. Pretty poor, pointless ending for the dragons.
Thinking about this too. My theory is that Drogon knows that Jon was loved by Danerys. Drogon didn't witness the regicide. His fire breathing was out of frustration or anger. I don't know man, it's a dragon, what in the dusty fcuk do we know about dragons?They'll prob not be published, but I hope the books serve up better fare than this last season.
I sure hope they are published
. I don't think there's any comparrison between novel and film/TV. Generally, I find books to be far better than their TV counterparts.All the lord's just laughed at the idea of democracy, I don't see how their attitudes to women in power would have changed either.
I don't think there's much, if any, objection to women rulers in the books or the TV show. There's some hints here and there to the contrary, but they can be classified as the opinions of a minority. The female leaders, with little or no objection are:
Lady Mormont (Incredibly stoic)
Sansa
Arya
Brienne (First female knight?)
Mellisandra
Cersei
Lysa Arryn
Rhaenys and Visenya (of the Westerosi lore)
Meera Reed
Yara Greyjoy
Chella of the Black Ears
Sand Snakes and their mother.
Karsi, wildling leader killed by children at Eastwatch by the Sea.
Osha
Ygritte?
Not all are leaders of armies, but they held power and people listened to what they had to say. They led.
All in all, I enjoyed the show. I was quite satisfied with the ending and I am happy with where the characters went (apart from Sandor Clegene). I think the last 2 seasons were quite rushed and some characters needed more development. Ned would certainly be proud of his kids, and each of them got what they wanted back in season 1, Sansa is queen, Jon is back at the wall (or is he a wildling???) and Arya is most certainly not a lady :P
There's certainly more than 13 episodes of material for Díckhead and Dípshít to work with. They could have gone to 20 episodes, and maybe even possibly 30 if they wanted to. But alas, other projects call and that's the story of life.0 -
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It also seems less.. angry. We're not as displeased it seems. Perhaps, for me, it's because I have little faith in the book material delivering *anything* nevermind anything better. I mean there's been some rightful criticism about how D&D wrote arcs after the book material ended, but the books themselves have lost a lot of their coherence and are, after the third book, not all that great themselves IMO.
Yeah that's just it. The books have already dipped in quality and it's not like Martin is rushing to print them anytime soon.
I'm happy to get an actual ending, but there are points in that episode that I really didn't like. Bran on the throne being the main one.Not even close to the Wire or Battlestar Galactica.
Season 8 really really let it down big time.
Forget about the little things but when you're groaning at the TV at some of the decisions for these characters we've followed for the best part of 8 years it really lets it down.
Dexter went the same way although the rot had set in earlier.
Blargh I loved The Wire but let's not gloss over the fact that Season 5 for Wire was a shocking dip as well. That whole serial killer storyline was so out of place for the show. And then there's Omar... anyways that's getting way off topic.
Haven't seen Battlestar Galactica, so can't comment. But Sopranos is better than The Wire and GOT imo.Roger Hassenforder wrote: »1. GoT
2. Wire
3. Breaking Bad
Scoring it higher, as it entertained me more!
Wire better charachters, dialogue. writing though.
I'm conflicted as to where I exactly place GOT in my top shows right now. Overall I think Sopranos is just a far better show, Wire for me is about on a par.
Then my own guilty pleasure is The Shield
Breaking Bad is a weird one as it actually improves as it progresses, the first couple of seasons are a bit meh tbh.
Don't agree that The Wire had better characters than GOT either, they're about on a par (at least until Season 5 they were, and Wire only had 4 good seasons).
Anyways my point is I think The Wire gets way too easy a time despite also having a sh1t last season.0 -
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