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25-05-2021, 23:22   #61
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Ok, I'll bite! Average house prices are as follows:
NZ: $800,000
Canada: $716,000
Ireland: $407,000 (CAD) $467,000 (NZD)
716,000? Just googled it. You got that from a Cbc article. Don’t forget Toronto and Vancouver, both horribly expensive, skew the price to the right. Many other nice places in Canada are much cheaper. Have a look here https://www.livingin-canada.com/hous...es-canada.html
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People who call it a kip and a sh1t-hole really have no perspective whatsoever - and seem a little spoiled, ungrateful and ignorant.

There are countless people globally who:

- Have no access to clean water
- Are witness to huge infant/child mortality rates
- Have a ludicrously low life expectancy
- Have no, or virtually no, access to education
- Have no access to technology - still farming with a donkey
- Will be sent to prison, tortured or killed for speaking out against their government
- Have no, or virtually no, access to healthcare - and exposure to potentially deadly diseases
- Have no access to birth control
- Have state supports when out of work/wanting to go back to education? Hah!
- Live where religious fanaticism is still alive and well and must not dare question it, and could be victims of violence due to it
- Haven't a hope of work other than the odd few crumbs here and there
- Have barely any food/live in unimaginable poverty and squalor
- Are living in war zones
- Are displaced from their homes
- Live in suffocatingly overcrowded cities with stress everywhere
- Are afraid for their lives due to the crime (Irish cities do not even feature in the top 50 for crime I'm afraid)
- Live in societies where women or certain castes are treated as sub human
- Face a much higher risk of trafficking
- Live under off the scale corruption (bless if you think anything here comes close)

Ireland would be absolute heaven to them.

And obviously Ireland isn't perfect. Accommodation is a mess. And there shouldn't be any corruption. But as someone else said, another issue is the relentless whining.

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25-05-2021, 23:35   #63
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I agree with Purple there.

In addition, what is wrong with the country, we should look to better, to fix. To say well the above countries are worse and you’d be less safe, less well off etc....ok, but we need to remain focused on eradicating our issues, improving every facet of living here. Relentlessly.

If we eradicate waiting lists for heart transplants to two weeks even, do we stop there or say, let’s try make it one week... always be better, always look to be the best you can be.
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I agree with Purple there.

In addition, what is wrong with the country, we should look to better, to fix. To say well the above countries are worse and you’d be less safe, less well off etc....ok, but we need to remain focused on eradicating our issues, improving every facet of living here. Relentlessly.

If we eradicate waiting lists for heart transplants to two weeks even, do we stop there or say, let’s try make it one week... always be better, always look to be the best you can be.
And the moaners never seem to suggest what to do to improve things.

And yeah I'm not saying other places being worse makes problems here acceptable - I just can't stand the lack of perspective.
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And the moaners never seem to suggest what to do to improve things.

And yeah I'm not saying other places being worse makes problems here acceptable - I just can't stand the lack of perspective.
100%.

OP, it’s relatively easy to emigrate these days. Do your research, choose a country where you skill set is valued, secure your visa, book your ticket and go. There’s no need to start a thread denigrating Ireland.

One thing emigration does produce is a sense of perspective. You’ll quickly realize that no country is utopia and that Ireland, despite its flaws, is a relatively nice place to live.

It’s not productive to whine incessantly about this country. It’s also slightly depressing for those of us who are committed to making this country a better place. So please make your plans to emigrate and execute on them. I’m sure your family and close friends will miss you. The other 7 million or so people on this island - well it won’t be creating a void in our lives.
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And the moaners never seem to suggest what to do to improve things.

And yeah I'm not saying other places being worse makes problems here acceptable - I just can't stand the lack of perspective.
It's nearly a religious devotion for certain types of people, always has been always will be. Given we have posters who live in Spain for example who divide their time on here moaning about living there, stuff going on here and a host of other topics.

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Not productive to whine.. but very productive to maintain a discussion, if positive, critical or a mixture of both.
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Probably not a good place to put this op as the majority of the posters on boards are late 30s plus and are all part of the green jersey brigade. I recommend continental Europe Op and not a capital city or second city. You will never be rich but you will have a very high standard of living plus if you miss the folks you can always hop on a plane to see them.
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Auckland has massive problems with housing, and the rest of NZ. Same in Melbourne, Sydney, Vancouver, London etc. Basically anywhere Irish people seem to aspire to move to when things get sh*t here have similar problems. Rock and a hard place.
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I think some people are lacking true perspective about moving abroad.

First off, regarding Ireland being a kip. It's not. However, if you end up living in somewhere like Thurles, then it's easy for your bubble of reality to shrink to a very small population, with few options for enjoyment, and limited scope for advancement in work. Whereas, if you move to Dublin, you have far more options, and any failure to appreciate them, is completely on you. I lived in Dublin for two years, after college, and I didn't like it. That was on me, but as a young person with little experience, I didn't have the balanced perspective to recognise that. I've been back a few times since and had a very different experience. In general terms, Ireland is a great country, although comparatively speaking, it's an expensive country.

I moved to Asia immediately after the Banking crash. Lived in Oz, and then, a variety of other Asian countries. When I lived in small cities, or the countryside, I experienced the same problems I had in Thurles, limited options. When I lived in cities of 9 million people or more, there was far greater options, and I enjoyed the experience more.

But I think people have to consider what work they do, and how that factors into things. I majored in Business/Finance, and most of my roles were connected to Credit Control, which is very much language based. So, I was mostly limited to English speaking countries, so I shifted roles to Management consulting, which was far more in demand in other nations. That shift also presented me with access to more levels of interaction with others, giving me the chance to see more levels of those cultures... whereas when I did credit control, even as a manager, I wasn't being introduced to the more prestigious or wealthier spheres of people.

The point being that when it comes to moving abroad, it shouldn't simply be the case of picking a destination. Consideration should be done regarding your career, and what you want from it, since that will affect your exposure to other cultures. Also, it's worth considering just how interested you are in developing your social life? Are you going to spend your free time getting stoned, and playing computer games? or are you going to be active, putting yourself out there, making friends, and pushing your own development?

I love living abroad. I have grown to appreciate Ireland due to my experiences living abroad, but I have little desire to live full-time here. However, at some point, practicalities kick in. Do you plan on leaving Ireland forever? Will you be contributing to a State pension, in addition to your own pension? Considering that it takes over twenty years for one to become eligible for the state pension, are you going to return to Ireland with enough time to avail of it, or are you going to find an alternative way to look after your retirement age?

I would highly recommend to everyone to live a few years abroad. Explore other cultures. Live in some major cities, like Berlin, or Tokyo. See what it's like in other places, and experience other cultures... but... don't skimp on being practical too. Make some realistic plans about your career development, do your research on financing, and pensions.. It's very easy to suddenly look back and realise that you've been a decade abroad, (and while it was fun), but then understand you've done little beyond paying your expenses.
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Probably not a good place to put this op as the majority of the posters on boards are late 30s plus and are all part of the green jersey brigade. I recommend continental Europe Op and not a capital city or second city. You will never be rich but you will have a very high standard of living plus if you miss the folks you can always hop on a plane to see them.
But that is not what people want you could go to Waterford or Limerick for that.

If they work in the media, music, performance, IT, anything finance or legal they want a capital city with all the cool stuff and more importantly, all the career opportunities minus the high rents and housing costs.

It's a bit of fantasy.
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Just for fun, look at the prices of property in silicon valley.

The 2018 median home price in Silicon Valley was $1.18 million, anywhere people want to live because of the opportunities are always expensive.

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But that is not what people want you could go to Waterford or Limerick for that.

If they work in the media, music, performance, IT, anything finance or legal they want a capital city with all the cool stuff and more importantly, all the career opportunities minus the high rents and housing costs.

It's a bit of fantasy.
So you are comparing Seville, Valencia, Málaga, Lyon, Toulouse, Nice, Munich, Cologne, Frankfurt to Waterford and Limerick? and also saying that there is no work in said cities in the areas you have mentioned and no cool stuff to do?I haven't even mentioned Belgium, Holland or Italy either and the cities outside their top 2.
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So you are comparing Seville, Valencia, Málaga, Lyon, Toulouse, Nice, Munich, Cologne, Frankfurt to Waterford and Limerick? and also saying that there is no work in said cities in the areas you have mentioned and no cool stuff to do?I haven't even mentioned Belgium, Holland or Italy either and the cities outside their top 2.
I am sure they are all lovely with lots of employment but that not what it's about for most, they want the career type of employment that you get in capital cities or large cities in the US. Canada, Australia and NZ. There is also the language issue.
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I am sure they are all lovely but that not what it's about for most, they want the career type of employment that you get in capital cities or large cities in the US. Canada, Australia and NZ. There is also the language issue.
How ever do non Anglophones manage in Ireland?
Just get off your arse and learn the language!
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