"None of our children on the list are getting these houses"

Idbatterim · 16-02-2020 4:53pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Perhaps its time grown adults started to live the lives that suits their means?

If you are on the waiting list 5 years, 10 years, stop churning out kids.
Maybe say "its time I upskilled and try to work my way out of this mess I'm in"

I also notice a lack of fathers being mentioned in a lot of these stories. Its always "mum with X children". Its time people started to look after the kids they produce. Its not the taxpayers job.

If you rely on handouts all your life, your lot isn't going to improve much.
The State can only do so much. It can never house everyone who wants housed, especially if its in a location they won't move away from.

People aren't realistic.

the kids are the golden ticket to the cholocate factory, I know a lady, relationship with partners ends, they have a young kid, two weeks in a hotel and then given a two bed apartment on the quays in dublin! You know anyone currently renting or living at home etc, who wouldnt give their right boll*ck to avail of that kind of a deal?!

Thatsthejob · 16-02-2020 4:58pm

Why should there be any social housing in new estates. So one family pay 250k plus for the house and there neighbour is given 1 for free??

Would anybody here be happy if that happened them. Imagine getting up for work every morning and the lad next door laughing at you as your paying for your own house but also his!

How is this right!!

smurgen · 16-02-2020 4:58pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Would be interested to hear any ideas that you might think would help.

Would you not share?

I don't know if this would solve this one issue but it might help reduce prices in certain key areas. I know in Switzerland the various Cantons which are equivalent to counties here each set their own income tax rates. The less developed Cantons have lower tax rates in a bit to try get people to move there. It has seen companies move to these less developed areas and their employees too. The employees also have lower housing costs in these areas as housing isn't as expensive there.

CinemaGuy45 · 16-02-2020 5:00pm

smurgen wrote: »

That's because mortgages cost more.the more expensive housing costs the more people need to get paid. As a manager I've heard it from employees on several occasions.

As a working class person I have always worked and I have watched wages shrink and prices rise.

You have hateful wackjobs here who hate white males because.:rolleyes:

You have scum who have never worked thinking those of us in the working class that do are suckers.

A decent weeks work should pay a decent wage.
The majority of the physical jobs are done by white males also this workforce is getting older and the young ones don't seem to eager to join in.

Idbatterim · 16-02-2020 5:01pm

Mic 1972 wrote: »

all the time invested in protesting outside the building site they could spend it looking for jobs

lets explore this, so they get E11-12 hour jobs, pay outrageous childcare, rent in dublin etc, commuting costs, how do they save? the system is a farce! Created massively, by giving housing away for near nothing

CinemaGuy45 · 16-02-2020 5:02pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

lets explore this, so they get E11-12 hour jobs, pay outrageous childcare, rent in dublin etc, commuting costs, how do they save? the system is a farce! Created massively, by giving housing away for near nothing

Wage slaves mostly white males and everybody seems to hate them.

NIMAN · 16-02-2020 5:03pm

smurgen wrote: »

The less developed Cantons have lower tax rates in a bit to try get people to move there. It has seen companies move to these less developed areas and their employees too. The employees also have lower housing costs in these areas as housing isn't as expensive there.

This is kinda like the debate(argument) I was having on Boards a few weeks back about lack of investment in the NW area.

Posters were saying companies and workers don't want to go there. They want to go to Dublin.

Your points already stand for Donegal for example. It is cheaper to live here. Houses dirt cheap, and you can live on a lot less wage than the cities. Same logic around housing people.

CinemaGuy45 · 16-02-2020 5:06pm

NIMAN wrote: »

This is kinda like the debate(argument) I was having on Boards a few weeks back about lack of investment in the NW area.

Posters were saying companies and workers don't want to go there. They want to go to Dublin.

Your points already stand for Donegal for example. It is cheaper to live here. Houses dirt cheap, and you can live on a lot less wage than the cities. Same logic around housing people.

I see people traveling up from the sticks to work in low wage jobs there are almost no jobs to be had in these areas.

If I though I could get a good deal outside Dublin I would be gone in an instant.

LessOutragePlz · 16-02-2020 5:17pm

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Sure why not bring in Classist Eugenics and compulsory sterilise every council house tenant in the country?

Can you point to anywhere in my post where I suggested any of those things?

Typical overly dramatic response to a very valid point that I raised.

smurgen · 16-02-2020 5:18pm

NIMAN wrote: »

This is kinda like the debate(argument) I was having on Boards a few weeks back about lack of investment in the NW area.

Posters were saying companies and workers don't want to go there. They want to go to Dublin.

Your points already stand for Donegal for example. It is cheaper to live here. Houses dirt cheap, and you can live on a lot less wage than the cities. Same logic around housing people.

Yes but it is starting to happen.i read something recently about some massive hedge fund setting up a back office in letterkenny.now imagine if we insensitivised such moves with tax cuts?
I don't particularly want to live in a less developed area but if you told me I could do it and pay 20% flat tax on my income I'd take the hand off you.

douglashyde · 16-02-2020 5:27pm

Westwood wrote: »

Brand new build here in Ratoath co Meath 400 houses, 10% given to foreign nationals as council houses, not 1 Irish family, these houses start at 310k-500k, call it what you like racism or whatever but it's sickening to the stomach

I'd rather these houses go to foreign nationals willing to 'have a go' at a life in Ireland than to an "Irish person" who live perpetually on state handouts and breed like rabbits from the age of 16.

An overhaul in the social housing system in general is needed, prioritising people who are up skilling, working or who cant work.

Thatsthejob · 16-02-2020 5:32pm

douglashyde wrote: »

I'd rather these houses go to foreign nationals willing to 'have a go' at a life in Ireland than to an "Irish person" who live perpetually on state handouts and breed like rabbits from the age of 16.

An overhaul in the social housing system in general is needed, prioritising people who are up skilling, working or who cant work.

But how can anybody justify giving these houses out for free when the rest of the estate are probably paying off 30 year mortgages. Social housing is a necessity but should be kept in individual estates.

smurgen · 16-02-2020 5:32pm

NIMAN wrote: »

This is kinda like the debate(argument) I was having on Boards a few weeks back about lack of investment in the NW area.

Posters were saying companies and workers don't want to go there. They want to go to Dublin.

Your points already stand for Donegal for example. It is cheaper to live here. Houses dirt cheap, and you can live on a lot less wage than the cities. Same logic around housing people.

So to put into perspective of what I was saying the canton with the lowest income tax Obwalden has a rate of 1.8% but it's like the Leitrim of switzerland.the highest then is in Zurich which is more like Dublin. It's more of a federalist system and we'd need massive changes in many areas if we were to go down that route but I could see alot of benefits if we could decentralise the governing of our counties from Dublin.

NIMAN · 16-02-2020 5:32pm

smurgen wrote: »

Yes but it is starting to happen.i read something recently about some massive hedge fund setting up a back office in letterkenny.now imagine if we insensitivised such moves with tax cuts?
I don't particularly want to live in a less developed area but if you told me I could do it and pay 20% flat tax on my income I'd take the hand off you.

Heard nothing about that. You remember where you read it?

Its not the one about 10 years ago that went belly up?

Sephiroth_dude · 16-02-2020 5:32pm

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Kermit.de.frog · 16-02-2020 5:35pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Would be interested to hear any ideas that you might think would help.

Would you not share?

The single most obvious solution is to limit child benefit to the first child only thereby closing off that trajectory of boosting your income on welfare.

smurgen · 16-02-2020 5:36pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Heard nothing about that. You remember where you read it?

Its not the one about 10 years ago that went belly up?

Pricoa, big money. 83 billion AUM

https://www.independent.ie/business/new-donegal-office-for-83bn-fund-pricoa-38034902.html

baldbear · 16-02-2020 5:42pm

It sickens my hole when I hear Irish people looking for social housing complain when they aren't allocated houses near their family.

If you don't work or contribute then tough shoite. Get educated, go to college get a job buy your own gaff where you want.

Best of luck to the new people who are getting these homes.

Fred Cryton · 16-02-2020 5:47pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I It's a cradle to grave outlook of how the state will look after them.

Can't agree more. Having lived abroad for a time, it's very striking how infantalised a lot of Irish people are. Someone needs to mind them, take care of them, look after them...etc etc.

The mindset of self reliance prevalent in other nations is simply absent here especially among lower working classes.

Some hard medicine needed but unfortunately we seem to be voting more and more left.

NIMAN · 16-02-2020 5:49pm

We're all mummies boys and girls!

Feisar · 16-02-2020 5:50pm

I'm done giving out, how do I get a house of the council?

AulWan · 16-02-2020 5:53pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

10 years should be enough time to get your foot on the work ladder after returning to education and try get off state dependency. Instead it seems to be treated as some sort of target, a life goal.

How do you know they haven't done all those things? I just read the article and there is nothing in the article about these peoples' working or non-working status. They could have done that - they could in fact be in full time employment and still are not in a position to be able to buy or afford private rents. Many two parent families are in the same boat.

But unfortunately, its well known that those parenting alone are the most at risk of poverty due to only having the earning capacity of one person, and they are more likely to stay impoverished for the same reason.

I don't agree with them halting development - this helps no one. As far as I am aware, the houses will not be allocated until built, so who knows who will get them?

Fred Cryton · 16-02-2020 5:55pm

AulWan wrote: »

How do you know they haven't done all those things? There is nothing in the article about these peoples' working or non-working status. They could have done that - they could in fact be in full time employment and still are not in a position to be able to buy or afford private rent. Many two parent families are in the same boat.

But unfortunately, its well known that those parenting alone are the most at risk of poverty due to only having the earning capacity of one person, and they are more likely to stay impoverished for the same reason.

The women were wearing grey tracksuits....have a guess whether they're working or not.

sdanseo · 16-02-2020 5:56pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The entitlement is strong in this article.

No mention of going to college, getting a job, renting a place, getting a mortgage.

They mention the furiners though.

They want the houses for their adult children who expect to be housed. It's a cradle to grave outlook of how the state will look after them.

It's quite worrying really as to where our peculiar brand of welfare state is taking society.

Somebody is paying the bill.

Couldn't agree more.

It takes a special kind of scrounger to picket the building of handout housing because you're not the one that will be getting the handout.

AulWan · 16-02-2020 6:00pm

Fred Cryton wrote: »

The women were wearing grey tracksuits....have a guess whether they're working or not.

That means absolutely nothing. Ridiculous statement.

Guy:Incognito · 16-02-2020 6:04pm

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Not all pregnancies are planned and not all people are prepared to have an abortion. I would have thought that was common knowledge.

Funnily enough though, these people seem to make the same mistakes that result in "unplanned" pregnancies 2 or 3 times.............

Eric Cartman · 16-02-2020 6:05pm

The story in that article about 10 people living in a house, the 29 year old in her ma’s council gaf sharing a room with her kids, her sister and her sisters kids, talk about a shicking lack of personal responsibility there and where are the fathers in all this ?

However this quote got me “
a disproportionate number of migrant families are allocated housing compared with other areas, said Píaras Mac Éinrí, a lecturer in University College Cork.“

So it seems they do have a reason to believe there are ‘two lists’ or whatever way it works.

Our housing system should prioristise every single irish born person with irish parents over any foreign nationals, we should be housing irish people of the lowest priority (single young people) before we even start on the list of migrants.

alastair · 16-02-2020 6:08pm

Thatsthejob wrote: »

But how can anybody justify giving these houses out for free when the rest of the estate are probably paying off 30 year mortgages. Social housing is a necessity but should be kept in individual estates.

Most people couldn’t give a ****e how their near neighbours came to live in their homes. They just care that they’re decent neighbours.

Disclaimer - live in an area of owner-occupiers, private rental tenants and local authority tenants. Nobody got a ‘free house’ btw.

Worker8 · 16-02-2020 6:08pm

I must say one thing about social housing in Ireland as I have been affected by it somewhat.

My parents got a house from the council, my father has been on disability allowance as he claimed he can't work due to carpal tunnel syndrome. I have finished college the same year my parents got that house from the council, they have split and my father kicked out me and my mother as he is in relationship with a new woman.

I have rented a house with my mother for which I pay 50% of my salary... I can't save any money at all and have to commute 5 hours per day, meanwhile my father who only worked 2 years in this country (we came from another country) is on disability paying 25% rent of his disability and going to parties with his new woman (wonder how sick he is if he is partying but not working).

It really discourages me to see this what my father did, wondering if I need to do the same to own a house... But I don't think I could live with myself claiming I am sick and not working...

baldbear · 16-02-2020 6:14pm

One of the ladies with the poster "local houses for local people" has 5 kids. And of course she can't work because she's a "full time mammy".

People who work are stupid here.

"None of our children on the list are getting these houses"

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