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Water charges for excessive usage

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  • Benedict wrote: »
    The entire "excessive usage" fines system will collapse the moment even one person refuses to pay on the basis of unfairness.
    Nearly half the IW customers have no meter so will not be fined. So the other half will pay? The Irish people won''t tolerate this unfairness.
    IW are waffling about being able to monitor homes without meters - but the truth is, they won't be able. They can have suspicions, but they can't be sure who's using what in an estate if loads of houses don't have meters. And are they going to say "Hey you lot in No 54, we suspect you're using too much so here's your fine, now pay the fine or it's jail for you".

    Do they think the Irish people are complete idiots?

    They are bluffing. People with no meters are on a winner and it isn't fair to the people with meters.

    The other half won’t have to pay. They will know if they’ve got a leak and get it fixed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Berserker wrote:
    They didn't. The looked at the results of the last election, told the electorate that they "got the message" and are using that change in the voting pattern to implement these changes. They've been waiting for an opportunity to implement these charges and the green vote has given them that chance.


    That just leaves getting people to pay. ;-)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 58 ✭✭Cyclical Apocalypse


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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,466 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Berserker wrote: »
    They didn't. The looked at the results of the last election, told the electorate that they "got the message" and are using that change in the voting pattern to implement these changes. They've been waiting for an opportunity to implement these charges and the green vote has given them that chance.

    Let's do some basic maths, even your average Green voter could follow.

    From Irish Water themselves.
    Each day in Ireland, 1.7 billion litres of water is collected, treated and pumped around a vast network of pipes to homes, businesses, hospitals and farms.

    The treatment process is a lengthy and complex one with up to seven stages that can take up to three days to make raw water suitable to drink.

    Amazing. In reality though what it should say is.
    1.7 billion litres of water is collected, treated and pumped around a vast network of pipes but before it gets to homes, businesses, hospitals and farms 730 million liters písses out of leaky pipes which we have no interest in fixing


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,391 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The nit picker in me thinks it is unfair to charge for the excess water on the way IN (for treatment and supply) and way OUT (for disposal), if it's being used to water a garden or clean a vehicle... surely the average is more like 100%, 75% out or somesuch.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    That just leaves getting people to pay. ;-)

    Shame someone has never come up with a way of getting people to pay for services and dealing with people who refuse to do so ......


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    Presume all the people who say "enough is enough", complain about waste, say they'll go to prison etc also aren't paying their motor tax, property tax, self assessed income tax etc?

    Or are they simply cherry picking and not paying the charge that they see no consequences of not paying?

    Will there also be protests over increased carbon taxes or if income taxes ever rise again?

    Twas the same with property taxes. People made "a stand" until collection was handed to revenue and all of a sudden there were consequences of not paying

    Call me a cynic but ........


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Berserker wrote:
    Shame someone has never come up with a way of getting people to pay for services and dealing with people who refuse to do so ......


    Plenty of debts go unpaid for many reasons despite mechanisms in place to deal with debt.
    Charges were defeated before, should be interesting to see what happens this time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    is there still the fire and anger out there we saw during the recession to get boots on the street and protest this again? we shall see.

    will the "green wave" we saw in the recent elections stretch to water conservation? we shall see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    emo72 wrote: »
    Water must be privatised.

    Suspect that's where we are ultimately headed and it'll be a direct consequence of the opposition to the state providing the service at a reasonable cost. And when it is privatised, if you don't pay the bill, you'll be cut off. That's the logical outcome of all this. The defeat of Irish Water will be a Pyrrhic victory.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    will the "green wave" we saw in the recent elections stretch to water conservation? we shall see.


    I remember the Arnett one claiming that if people conserved water the unit cost would have to increase. Doesn't sound like conservation to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,466 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    will the "green wave" we saw in the recent elections stretch to water conservation? we shall see.

    The Green Wave should be delighted with the populous of Ireland, we don't waste water, Irish Waters figures prove this beyond doubt.

    2 billion plus to find out something they already knew, meanwhile 43% písses out the mains.

    Conservation me hole.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    I remember the Arnett one claiming that if people conserved water the unit cost would have to increase. Doesn't sound like conservation to me.

    cant it be both?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cant it be both?


    Use less, pay more. Seems strange.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Use less, pay more. Seems strange.

    cant the charge promote conservation and be used to repair and maintain pipes? the rates for utilities only go one way anyway, 45 degrees up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,466 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    cant the charge promote conservation

    Promote conservation?

    Use Less, get charged more.

    As promotion campaigns go, that's pretty shít! :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Boggles wrote: »
    Promote conservation?

    Use Less, get charged more.

    As promotion campaigns go, that's pretty sh :pac:

    yeah i cant defend that part only to say that they'll still need to take in money to invest in infrastructure so that if everyone conserves really well and their income dries up (geddit?) they'll need to increase charges or lower the limit in order to keep generating income for infrastructure maintenance and investment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,803 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Are those on social welfare going to be exempt and allowed to waste as much water as they want?


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,224 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Are those on social welfare going to be exempt and allowed to waste as much water as they want?
    Generally that's how it works
    The neaveaux riche of the lifetime dole class can't be charged anything because they have time on their hands to protest anything, especially anything that impacts the aul' cash flow for dutch gold trays.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,466 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    yeah i cant defend that part only to say that they'll still need to take in money to invest in infrastructure so that if everyone conserves really well and their income dries up (geddit?) they'll need to increase charges or lower the limit in order to keep generating income for infrastructure maintenance and investment.

    Ah, But this new spin campaign according to them is not about raising revenue and all about conservation.

    We are all ready excellent at conserving water.

    Why are they wasting money on this shíté when 43% is píssing out the mains?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Boggles wrote: »
    Ah, But this new spin campaign according to them is not about raising revenue and all about conservation.

    We are all ready excellent at conserving water.

    Why are they wasting money on this sh when 43% is ping out the mains.

    they need money to fix the mains!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    cant the charge promote conservation and be used to repair and maintain pipes? the rates for utilities only go one way anyway, 45 degrees up.


    Normally to conserve there's a carrot. Your suggestion is all stick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    they need money to fix the mains!


    The logical thing would have been to fix the mains first and then embark on a charging regime. I even remember Enda saying as much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    Boggles wrote: »
    We are all ready excellent at conserving water.

    Would you get outa that!! Your average Irish household on a public water supply hasn't a clue about conserving water and cares less. It's only when rationing comes in that they suddenly get their knickers in a twist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,466 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    they need money to fix the mains!

    Did you miss the part where they said this current spin campaign has nothing to do with raising revenue?

    There was plenty money and will there to blitzkrieg 55% of the country in meters in record time.

    Imagine if they had the same enthusiasm for fixing the leaks.

    Remember, Conservation. 730 million liters lost every day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year, FOREVER!!!

    Also have you seen some sort of plan I haven't, if they were to raise revenue where does it suggest it will be used for repairing the mains supply.

    I see a concept of building a 200km pipe line costing (insert billions here).

    Absolute Folly.

    It's time it was put down.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39,466 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    BarryD2 wrote: »
    Would you get outa that!! Your average Irish household on a public water supply hasn't a clue about conserving water and cares less.

    Irish Water Disagrees with you lad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,732 ✭✭✭BarryD2


    The logical thing would have been to fix the mains first and then embark on a charging regime. I even remember Enda saying as much.

    Of course that's the logical thing to do - fix the mains first. But that requires investment and the people who should pay for that are the people who use and benefit from the service.

    It's only when the public water supply fails or partially fails to greater Dublin, will the public wake up to this basic fact.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    BarryD2 wrote:
    Would you get outa that!! Your average Irish household on a public water supply hasn't a clue about conserving water and cares less. It's only when rationing comes in that they suddenly get their knickers in a twist.

    Cool claim can you back it up with any data?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    BarryD2 wrote:
    Of course that's the logical thing to do - fix the mains first. But that requires investment and the people who should pay for that are the people who use and benefit from the service.


    I seem to remember over a billion being invested in the set up of IW including the metering programme. Cart before the horse and all that. I billion would have fixed alot of pipes.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,647 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Will those that are unemployed and contribute nothing have to pay???

    Will the travelling community have to pay???

    As their bins etc are done already at no cost...


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