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3 New Navy Vessels for Irish Naval Service

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  • #2162
    mikeym
    Registered Users Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Are slua na marra still going ? Maybe I got the name wrong , anyway marine version of the fca ,

    You mean the Naval Service Reserve.

    https://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/reserve-defence-forces/naval-service-reserve/about-naval-service-reserve/


  • #2163
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Thanks Mike. Bloody interesting read. Capability of 76mm of particular interest though I feel this could be augmented by that French AA missile system which another poster uploaded details and video a month or two ago. ATB


  • #2164
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    stop feeding


  • #2165
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Just finished me dinner thanks. Had a delicious and "on topic" "Fruits de Mer". In light of some rather negative banter and general lack of support for my patriotic stance for the DF I may consider giving up posting for lent and sit down and give some thoughtful consideration to a proposal for a new order of battle for the upgrades I think would be advantageous for our new post brexit role in the world for all three branches of the DF. I look forward with pleasant anticipation to sharing this with you fellow patriots once I have carefully evaluated all reasonable options and continue my research to find the right balance between good second hand deals and decent kit that doesn't cost the earth. Such as them auld Korean jets I mentioned a while back on the Fighter Jets section.
    God Bless and keep in touch lads.


  • #2166
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    What does anybody think about the new river class opv compared to the Becket class, better or worse?


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  • #2167
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Is Lent over? Can we not extend it like the lockdown, please.


  • #2168
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    A rather elitist bunch on this wee bb who don't like their provincial ideas challenged by patriotic and positive ideas!
    Happy Easter to you too.


  • #2169
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    A rather elitist bunch on this wee bb who don't like their provincial ideas challenged by patriotic and positive ideas!
    Happy Easter to you too.

    Having some cop on is not elitism.


  • #2170
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Rather an over reaction seeing as all I did was a bleedin question. God knows yez are a sensitive bunch on this board.


  • #2171
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    Rather an over reaction seeing as all I did was a bleedin question. God knows yez are a sensitive bunch on this board.

    Here's an answer to your question, I will be polite as I can. We are currently facing an economic meltdown. Almost 800, 000 recieving some form of Social Welfare support. Now exactly how many big ticket items have you spammed this thread with do you think the PDF will be in receipt of in the next decade? I could give you a short concise answer if you wish 'sweet f**k all".
    If this was Afters Hours I would refrain from answering , and I suspect you would have been indulged with alot more tolerance but it's not and your comments lend nothing to the discussion here other than to rile up those that have a serious interest in the military.


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  • #2172
    donvito99
    Registered Users Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    There is a dedicated forum for a lot of these discussions.


  • #2173
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,780 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    A rather elitist bunch on this wee bb who don't like their provincial ideas challenged by patriotic and positive ideas!
    Happy Easter to you too.

    Patriot? You're just a flute.


  • #2174
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I am terribly terribly sorry chaps. Your comments have made me realize that I am in truth a bit of a gobsh*te. Ya see I left school when I was only eleven and had to do odd jobs to support me mother  and me siblings, so I never had much of a formal education, just scraps I picked up along lifes stony road, and now that I have grown old sure I'm going a bit senile. I don't have any friends and I've been barred from all me local pubs 'cos I'm gay. So when I discovered this discussion group a couple of years ago it was a life changing event for me and I thought I could make some pals here. So I started bonin up on naval military matters so I could take part in the discussions. Well...it seems like I've made a bit of a horlicks of things so now I'm going to get me auld revolver out and top meself...BANG BANG BANG! Oh bugger it! I've missed and shot the next door neighbour instead. God in heaven, sure I can't get anything right. Never mind. Happy Easter one and all. 


  • #2175
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,200 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    [Mod]Whiskey Tango Hotel?

    Gone for a month[/Mod]


  • #2176
    jonnybigwallet
    Registered Users Posts: 1,070 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Couldn't manage to paste the link but I came accross an interesting snippet on the Royal Navy News page of their website (dated 17 Jun this year). It gives a little write up on a joint exercise with the Irish Navy , conducted around mid June and involving one of the P60's and two of the new River Class RN patrol ships....


  • #2177
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭sparky42


    jonnybigwallet wrote: »
    Couldn't manage to paste the link but I came accross an interesting snippet on the Royal Navy News page of their website (dated 17 Jun this year). It gives a little write up on a joint exercise with the Irish Navy , conducted around mid June and involving one of the P60's and two of the new River Class RN patrol ships....


    It was only one of their River's from memory.


  • #2178
    Leonidas BL
    Registered Users Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Leonidas BL


    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/royal-navy-and-irish-navy-train-together-in-celtic-sea/

    BL200039278.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=php-1.2.1&


  • #2179
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Leonidas BL wrote: »
    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/royal-navy-and-irish-navy-train-together-in-celtic-sea/

    BL200039278.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=php-1.2.1&

    The rivers are very lightly armed but then again they can always call on there big brothers if needed


  • #2180
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    The rivers are very lightly armed but then again they can always call on there big brothers if needed


    And they have a better CMS than we do to be fair.


  • #2181
    ckerryman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17 ✭ckerryman


    Leonidas BL wrote: »
    https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/royal-navy-and-irish-navy-train-together-in-celtic-sea/

    BL200039278.jpg?auto=compress%2Cformat&ixlib=php-1.2.1&
    Thank you for your post, the comments in the news article were very educational.


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  • #2182
    roadmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Coveney today is saying the Navy could in the future be going on anti piracy missions. This you would imagine would be good for morale. If they did go on these missions would the ships need to be up armed?


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40018211.html


  • #2183
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Coveney today is saying the Navy could in the future be going on anti piracy missions. This you would imagine would be good for morale. If they did go on these missions would the ships need to be up armed?


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40018211.html

    the 76mm and 20mm cannons should be more than sufficient for anti-piracy work.


  • #2184
    Larbre34
    Registered Users Posts: 23,780 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, the level of armament is fine.

    I've seen a number of documentaries on EUNAVFOR and Operation Atalanta and by far the most used and most effective weapons are fast RHIBs, skilled boarding parties and their small arms, supportes by shipboard HMGs.

    I remember Coveney being an advocate for participation in anti-piracy in his previous stint as Minister and with the demise of Operation Sophia, it would be excellent for the NS to work interoperably with other EU forces in a live scenario.

    All dependent on manpower though. We cannot be heading into a live Brexit scenario with one P60 in the Indian ocean, and only enough personnel for 4 or 5 other vessels in home waters.


  • #2185
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭sparky42


    From memory didn’t they procure omen armour protection shields for the 20mm positions when it looked like they were going on the anti piracy patrol before they were sent to the Med.


  • #2186
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭sparky42


    roadmaster wrote: »
    Coveney today is saying the Navy could in the future be going on anti piracy missions. This you would imagine would be good for morale. If they did go on these missions would the ships need to be up armed?


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40018211.html

    To be fair, he is talking about when they are up to strength, so not anytime soon. On the other hand he’s also talking about the AC being deployed (something the DOD has stopped plenty of times) and will meet quarterly with the representatives. Could we actually have a Minister that wants to do ****?


  • #2187
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    sparky42 wrote: »
    From memory didn’t they procure omen armour protection shields for the 20mm positions when it looked like they were going on the anti piracy patrol before they were sent to the Med.

    the shields for the 20mm on the defence forces website only seem to cover the gun. they dont go high enough to protect the person firing the gun. very odd.


  • #2188
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭sparky42


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the shields for the 20mm on the defence forces website only seem to cover the gun. they dont go high enough to protect the person firing the gun. very odd.

    Think I saw a procurement for ones that protected the lower body and sides as well? It was around the time of the mooted Anti Piracy operation.


  • #2189
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,102 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    this is the shield on the 20mm. it leaves of the head and shoulders of the firer exposed.

    20mm.png

    video here https://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/naval-service/naval-service-weapons/


  • #2190
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Yeah, those are fixed to the mounts, the ones I’m thinking off were bolt on extras, that the navy was either looking at or did get to add to the protection. I’ll have to see if I can google what I’m thinking off.


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  • #2191
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,427 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Are the peacocks a bit past it for that sort of mission , they're the fastest and originally operated in warmer waters ?
    If they sent the air-corp overseas what would they likely be doing ? Not a lot of helicopters to bring I suppose the new p12 s would be handy for observation and light transport , or there could finally be a decent role for a few of the PC 9s ...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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