The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

Triangle · 05-09-2020 5:26pm

Odhinn wrote: »

They were forces of the crown, hence "crown forces".

Yes, its a thing called "War".

It's called terrorism, war is between nations.

And my mother missed being included (involuntarily) in this so called war when a bomb went off in Belfast.
You can paint it any way you like but it's still terrorism.

smurgen · 05-09-2020 5:41pm

Triangle wrote: »

It's called terrorism, war is between nations.

And my mother missed being included (involuntarily) in this so called war when a bomb went off in Belfast.
You can paint it any way you like but it's still terrorism.

There wasn't a war because Dublin abandoned Catholics in the North. The IRA filled the void where the state should have protected them. Good to see Europe however are looking for answers for the British. FFG are too cowardly to ask.

"Council of Europe committee presses UK government over Pat Finucane probe" https://jrnl.ie/5196075

rdwight · 05-09-2020 6:12pm

smurgen wrote: »

There wasn't a war because Dublin abandoned Catholics in the North. The IRA filled the void where the state should have protected them. Good to see Europe however are looking for answers for the British. FFG are too cowardly to ask.

"Council of Europe committee presses UK government over Pat Finucane probe" https://jrnl.ie/5196075

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/day-the-troops-marched-in-to-nationalist-welcome-1.216524

rdwight · 05-09-2020 6:22pm

McMurphy wrote: »

I need more to go on here? Who broke the same guideline's [sic] as Phil Hogan?

Not sure if Big Phil actually took selfies while breaking guidelines, but he definitely paid a higher price than darling Michelle.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/02/news/michelle-o-neill-says-funeral-selfie-should-not-have-happened--1992518/

McMurphy · 05-09-2020 6:46pm

rdwight wrote: »

Not sure if Big Phil actually took selfies while breaking guidelines, but he definitely paid a higher price than darling Michelle.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/02/news/michelle-o-neill-says-funeral-selfie-should-not-have-happened--1992518/

Big Phil didn't lose his job because he broke social distancing measures did he

blanch152 · 05-09-2020 7:32pm

landofthetree wrote: »

Sinn Fein voted for the legislation a few days ago.

Now they are complaining about it.

https://gript.ie/sinn-fein-vote-for-the-new-laws-for-pubs-that-they-also-described-as-draconian/

Utterly two-faced from Sinn Fein, but normal service isn’t really news.

FrancieBrady · 05-09-2020 7:44pm

rdwight wrote: »

Not sure if Big Phil actually took selfies while breaking guidelines, but he definitely paid a higher price than darling Michelle.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/07/02/news/michelle-o-neill-says-funeral-selfie-should-not-have-happened--1992518/

Big Phil lost his job because he lied to his bosses.

dundalkfc10 · 05-09-2020 7:55pm

Mary Lou had porridge for breakfast, Pearse listened to the Wolfe Tones in his car.

For more tune into boards tomorrow

maccored · 05-09-2020 11:10pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The First Minister added: “There are investigations ongoing both at a police level and an Assembly level as well and we’ll have to see the outcome of all of that.

ah - so eventually she's being investigated for her heating scheme scandal. Glad to hear it. (that was sarcasm btw)

JohnnyFlash · 06-09-2020 3:06am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rzjXTs62cI

Eric Cartman · 06-09-2020 3:28am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rzjXTs62cI

The IRA were just criminals pretending to be freedom fighters, just like the shinners now are criminals pretending to be politicians

bobbyy gee · 06-09-2020 3:55am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The IRA were just criminals pretending to be freedom fighters, just like the shinners now are criminals pretending to be politicians

From 1973 the Provisional IRA had carried out waves of bombing attacks on commercial targets in London and elsewhere in England as part of its "economic war". The goal was to damage the economy and cause disruption, which would put pressure on the British government to withdraw from Northern Ireland. Harrods—a large, upmarket department store in the affluent Knightsbridge district, near Buckingham Palace—had been targeted before by the IRA. On 10 December 1983, the IRA carried out its first attack in London for some time when a bomb exploded at the Royal Artillery Barracks, injuring three British soldiers.[3]
One week later, on the afternoon of 17 December, IRA members parked a car bomb near the side entrance of Harrods, on Hans Crescent. The bomb contained 25 to 30 lb (14 kg) of explosives and was set to be detonated by a timer.[4][5] It was left in a 1972 blue Austin 1300 GT four-door saloon car.[4] At 12:44 a man using an IRA codeword phoned the central London branch of the Samaritans charity.[4][5] The caller said there was a car bomb outside Harrods and another bomb inside Harrods, and gave the car's registration plate.[4][5] According to police, he did not give any other description of the car.[4]
The bomb exploded at about 13:21, as four police officers in a car, an officer on foot and a police dog-handler neared the suspect vehicle.[4][5] Six people were killed (three officers and three bystanders) and 90 others were injured, including 14 police officers.[6] The blast damaged 24 cars[4] and all five floors on the side of Harrods, sending a shower of glass down on the street.[5] The police car absorbed much of the blast and this likely prevented further casualties.[4]
Five people died at the scene of the bombing and a sixth later died in hospital. The bystanders who died were Philip Geddes (24), a journalist who had heard about the alert and went to the scene;[6] Jasmine Cochrane-Patrick (25); and Kenneth Salvesen (28), a US citizen.[6][7] The Metropolitan Police officers killed were Sergeant Noel Lane (28) and Constable Jane Arbuthnot (22). A third officer, Inspector Stephen Dodd (34), died in hospital from his injuries on 24 December.[8] Constable Jon Gordon survived, but lost both legs and part of a hand in the blast.[5]
At the time of the explosion, a second warning call was made by the IRA. The caller said that a bomb had been left in the C&A department store at the east end of Oxford Street. Police cleared the area and cordoned it off but this claim was found to be false.[9] In the aftermath of the attack, hundreds of extra police and mobile bomb squads were drafted into London.[5] Aleck Craddock, chairman of Harrods, reported that £1 million in turnover had been lost as a result of the bombing.[10] Despite the damage, Harrods re-opened three days later, proclaiming it would not be "defeated by acts of terrorism".[5] Denis Thatcher, the husband of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, visited the store and told reporters "no damned Irishman is going to stop me going there".[11]

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 11:24am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Big Phil lost his job because he lied to his bosses.

Exactly, and he was treated accordingly. Hogan is fortunate he is not a member of SF different rules there. Poor auld Dennis Donaldson did not last long RIP. Also technically the government of Ireland did not have the power to remove Hogan. He did the decent thing and resigned.
If only SF could do the decent thing instead of playing 'nod and wink provo/comradai', more people would vote for them.

I honestly think there is a cohort of SF voter/member that gets a kick out of being associated with murder, punishment beatings, the disappeared, wiping shíte on walls, makes them feel like the hard men/woman. Above the law and part of a glorious struggle.
Not all SF people put there is a definite element there.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 11:28am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Exactly, and he was treated accordingly. Hogan is fortunate he is not a member of SF different rules there. Poor auld Dennis Donaldson did not last long RIP.

Isn't it alleged that Denis Donaldson was indeed taken out by his bosses...MI5?

Truthvader · 06-09-2020 11:29am

bobbyy gee wrote: »

From 1973 the Provisional IRA had carried out waves of bombing attacks on commercial targets in London and elsewhere in England as part of its "economic war". The goal was to damage the economy and cause disruption, which would put pressure on the British government to withdraw from Northern Ireland. Harrods—a large, upmarket department store in the affluent Knightsbridge district, near Buckingham Palace—had been targeted before by the IRA. On 10 December 1983, the IRA carried out its first attack in London for some time when a bomb exploded at the Royal Artillery Barracks, injuring three British soldiers.[3]
One week later, on the afternoon of 17 December, IRA members parked a car bomb near the side entrance of Harrods, on Hans Crescent. The bomb contained 25 to 30 lb (14 kg) of explosives and was set to be detonated by a timer.[4][5] It was left in a 1972 blue Austin 1300 GT four-door saloon car.[4] At 12:44 a man using an IRA codeword phoned the central London branch of the Samaritans charity.[4][5] The caller said there was a car bomb outside Harrods and another bomb inside Harrods, and gave the car's registration plate.[4][5] According to police, he did not give any other description of the car.[4]
The bomb exploded at about 13:21, as four police officers in a car, an officer on foot and a police dog-handler neared the suspect vehicle.[4][5] Six people were killed (three officers and three bystanders) and 90 others were injured, including 14 police officers.[6] The blast damaged 24 cars[4] and all five floors on the side of Harrods, sending a shower of glass down on the street.[5] The police car absorbed much of the blast and this likely prevented further casualties.[4]
Five people died at the scene of the bombing and a sixth later died in hospital. The bystanders who died were Philip Geddes (24), a journalist who had heard about the alert and went to the scene;[6] Jasmine Cochrane-Patrick (25); and Kenneth Salvesen (28), a US citizen.[6][7] The Metropolitan Police officers killed were Sergeant Noel Lane (28) and Constable Jane Arbuthnot (22). A third officer, Inspector Stephen Dodd (34), died in hospital from his injuries on 24 December.[8] Constable Jon Gordon survived, but lost both legs and part of a hand in the blast.[5]
At the time of the explosion, a second warning call was made by the IRA. The caller said that a bomb had been left in the C&A department store at the east end of Oxford Street. Police cleared the area and cordoned it off but this claim was found to be false.[9] In the aftermath of the attack, hundreds of extra police and mobile bomb squads were drafted into London.[5] Aleck Craddock, chairman of Harrods, reported that £1 million in turnover had been lost as a result of the bombing.[10] Despite the damage, Harrods re-opened three days later, proclaiming it would not be "defeated by acts of terrorism".[5] Denis Thatcher, the husband of British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, visited the store and told reporters "no damned Irishman is going to stop me going there".[11]

And the decent people of Finglas vote in Dessie Ellis top of the pole.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 11:46am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't it alleged that Denis Donaldson was indeed taken out by his bosses...MI5?

No it was IRA MI5 is a nice republican cover story, lets call a spade a spade and a shovel and shovel.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-denis-donaldson-1.3945518

As you say yourself SF are not a normal political party. It is up to them to normalise but a lot don't want to because it means they are a law unto themselves.

Many a SF poster on here no doubt got a kick out of David Culliane and Dessie Ellis antics during the GE. Plus many a SF poster on here got a kick out of SF breaking social distancing at a Martin Storey's funeral (brains of SF - good republican - enforcer - and mastermind of the Northern Bank robbery).
No consequences.

Yet other political parties have political consequences if they do not follow rules - or rule of law. SF can snigger away in the shadows.

It must be great craic being in SF and voting SF because 'getting away with murder' is not just a phrase, it is part of the ideology and has a more literal meaning.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 11:53am

Truthvader wrote: »

And the decent people of Finglas vote in Dessie Ellis top of the pole.

And that makes them decent does it? To me it is more likely the disaffected working class voter on the fringes of society who wants to stick it to 'the establishment' with poor levels of education. And/or a voter who was duped by promises of free houses and does not know thier history.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 11:56am

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

No it was IRA MI5 is a nice republican cover story, lets call a spade a spade and a shovel and shovel.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/man-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-denis-donaldson-1.3945518

As you say yourself SF are not a normal political party. It is up to them to normalise but a lot don't want to because it means they are a law unto themselves.

Many a SF poster on here no doubt got a kick out of David Culliane and Dessie Ellis antics during the GE. Plus many a SF poster on here got a kick out of SF breaking social distancing at a Martin Storey's funeral (brains of SF - good republican - enforcer - and mastermind of the Northern Bank robbery).
No consequences.

Yet other political parties have political consequences if they do not follow rules - or rule of law.

It must be great craic being in SF and voting SF because 'getting away with murder' is not just a phrase, it is part of the ideology and has a more literal meaning.

I criticised SF for taking part in the funeral and if they broke rules then a price should be paid by whoever did that.

Far as I know social distancing is guidance and not a rule..as is taking a selfie which the person involved in it apologised for...like all those who apologised for being at the golf event and have gotten on with their political lives.

Hogan lied about what he did and paid the price with his job. SF members who have broken rules have paid a price..the councilor who went to Spain had the whip removed, exactly in line with what happened others that did the same, members have been suspended for tweets, and other misbehaviours and ignoring party rules.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 12:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I criticised SF for taking part in the funeral and if they broke rules then a price should be paid by whoever did that.

Far as I know social distancing is guidance and not a rule..as is taking a selfie which the person involved in it apologised for...like all those who apologised for being at the golf event and have gotten on with their political lives.

Hogan lied about what he did and paid the price with his job. SF members who have broken rules have paid a price..the councilor who went to Spain had the whip removed, exactly in line with what happened others that did the same, members have been suspended for tweets, and other misbehaviours and ignoring party rules.

It is always low hanging fruit with SF. Gerry, Mary Lou, and Michelle were never going to be censured were they? Would Mary or Michelle step down as party leader? Even have a vote of no confidence?

Gerry breezed through his time as leader despite Maria Cahill. Liam Adams and so on. Untouchable. The Don.

If Michael Martin did something similar as they did at that funeral his position would be untenable. And rightly so.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 12:37pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is always low hanging fruit with SF. Gerry, Mary Lou, and Michelle were never going to be censured were they? Would Mary or Michelle step down as party leader? Even have a vote of no confidence?

Gerry breezed through his time as leader despite Maria Cahill. Liam Adams and so on. Untouchable. The Don.

If Michael Martin did something similar as they did at that funeral his position would be untenable. And rightly so.

Mary Lou and Michelle...what did they do that was a break of the rules?

We saw Leo flout guidance at a number of photo ops...Michael visited home on Cork when there were restrictions and 'neglected' to say it. Positions 'untenable'?

Take the blinkers off GGD

rdwight · 06-09-2020 12:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Big Phil lost his job because he lied to his bosses.

If Hogan had appeared in selfies from Clifden he wouldn't have lasted long enough to lie to his boss. He would have been gone within an hour.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northe...ened--1992518/

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 12:46pm

rdwight wrote: »

If Hogan had appeared in selfies from Clifden he wouldn't have lasted long enough to lie to his boss. He would have been gone within an hour.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/northe...ened--1992518/

I would contend the omerta on any pictures or video from the golf shindig is far more sinister than an absent minded stupid selfie.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 12:53pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Mary Lou and Michelle...what did they do that was a break of the rules?

We saw Leo flout guidance at a number of photo ops...Michael visited home on Cork when there were restrictions and 'neglected' to say it. Positions 'untenable'?

Take the blinkers off GGD

I am not going to repost those SF funeral photos again. They have already been discussed ad nauseam and 'ignored' ad nauseam.

Martin was acting in his capacity as an essential worker (ie acting government).
Was there a massive event with throngs of people in his own own home back in April?
Also if you do view Martin's actions as wrong it is clear that Michelle. Mary Lou and Gerry did not (blurring lines even further) as they were blatantly in the midst of a non social distanced crowd in July.
Many people in Ireland could not attend the burial of loved ones due to Covid19. Yet SF can do what they like for 'a good Republican'?

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 12:57pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would contend the omerta on any pictures or video from the golf shindig is far more sinister than an absent minded stupid selfie.

A SF supporter typing the words 'Omerta' and 'Sinister' in one sentence - one of your more amusing posts!

rdwight · 06-09-2020 12:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I would contend the omerta on any pictures or video from the golf shindig is far more sinister than an absent minded stupid selfie.

Absence of evidence about something nobody claimed happened is evidence that something sinister is happening?

I take my hat off to you, Francie. That's got to qualify you for the Shinner Spinner of the month award.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 1:01pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I am not going to repost those SF funeral photos again. They have already been discussedad nauseam and ignored ad nauseam.

Martin was acting in his capacity as an essential worker (ie Taoiseach).
Was there a massive event with throngs of people in his own own home back in April?
Also if you do view Martin's actions as wrong it is clear that Michelle. Mary Lou and Gerry did not (blurring lines even further) as they were blatantly in the midst of a non social distanced crowd in July.
Many people in Ireland could not attend the burial of loved ones due to Covid19. Yet SF can do what they like for 'a good Republican'?

I haven't called for a resignation of anybody because guidance was ignored - Martin by the way was not doing 'essential business' going home for clothes - I have though called for resignations when people are caught lying and the facts come out. How many times did Hogan lie?

We all watched other funerals and the ignoring of guidance and because we have empathy as a people...said nothing. I still cherish that as a community attribute. I don't put different communities on pedestals though as some clearly do.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 1:03pm

rdwight wrote: »

Absence of evidence about something nobody claimed happened is evidence that something sinister is happening?

I take my hat off to you, Francie. That's got to qualify you for the Shinner Spinner of the month award.

Sorry, I DO find it amazing in the day and age of cameras that not one picture has surfaced...I am not the only one who finds that odd and has asked was there a ban on photos because they knew they were flouting the rules.

gormdubhgorm · 06-09-2020 1:04pm

rdwight wrote: »

Absence of evidence about something nobody claimed happened is evidence that something sinister is happening?

I take my hat off to you, Francie. That's got to qualify you for the Shinner Spinner of the month award.

Ah he is good in fairness thinks quick, always ready for a comeback, relentless!

A1 for commitment to the cause.

FrancieBrady · 06-09-2020 3:18pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Ah he is good in fairness thinks quick, always ready for a comeback, relentless!

A1 for commitment to the cause.

In fairness, it isn't my fault you guys are not thinking things through.
Lying repeatedly all the way up to your EU boss is different to ignoring Covid advice.

blanch152 · 06-09-2020 3:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I criticised SF for taking part in the funeral and if they broke rules then a price should be paid by whoever did that.

Far as I know social distancing is guidance and not a rule..as is taking a selfie which the person involved in it apologised for...like all those who apologised for being at the golf event and have gotten on with their political lives.

Hogan lied about what he did and paid the price with his job. SF members who have broken rules have paid a price..the councilor who went to Spain had the whip removed, exactly in line with what happened others that did the same, members have been suspended for tweets, and other misbehaviours and ignoring party rules.

Pedantically distinguishing between guidelines and rules is a weasel word approach to denying responsibility and accountability.

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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