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Mass sexual assaults covered up for 4 days by German media - READ OP BEFORE POSTING

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    #92
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Freak Midget wrote: »
    “completely unheard of” way, Wolfgang Albers, Chief of Police in the Rhineland city said at a press conference on Monday afternoon.

    “There was a very large number of sexual assaults there - and in a massive way. Women were grabbed and attacked,” said Albers, adding that in one case the alleged crime fitted the legal definition of rape.

    “The crimes were committed by a group of people who from appearance were largely from the north African or Arab world,” the police chief added.

    Something very, very serious happened. Strange thatyou seem to want to sweep it under the carpet, strange too that numerous people being sexually and physically assaulted doesn't seem to concern you.


    I don't do pitchforks and hysteria. Let the police do their investigations. Everyone is entitled to due process and a presumption of innocence


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    #93
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,044 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    mansize wrote: »
    Have you seen refugees do it???

    Have I ever seen somebody get sexually assaulted? You're asking me this question???


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    #94
    Memnoch
    Registered Users Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭Memnoch


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Hate to tell you they are not all from the same country or background.

    I'm not sure what your point is, other than pure semantics. The implication in this instance is clearly directed against refugees, and more specifically against refugees from the middle-east.

    If you prefer to use the term xenophobia instead of racism, that applies here too.


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    #95
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    Stheno wrote: »
    A lot of the refugees in Germany are being housed in gyms, community centres, and unused industrial spaces.

    There have been numerous articles online about the difficulties in those centres and conflicts with locals.

    You can't just herd people into sub standard accomodation with hundreds sleeping in halls and expect everything to be fine.

    Mental. This as an excuse for the animalistic behaviour is bordering madness.


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    #96
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Uncle Ben wrote: »
    Third paragraph down.

    That's not the quote I'm disagreeing with he quoted a number given by the regional newspaper that he attributed wrongly to the Chief of police


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    #97
    Corpus Twisty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭Corpus Twisty


    Germans stunned when influx of 1.1 million Refugees from entirely foreign cultures starts to throw up issues. Part of me is picturing that chap leaning out the window, shouting "You twat!"

    I'm possibly alone in thinking that this may "whisper it", only be the start of their discomfiture. Sadly, the ordinary people will bear the brunt. The architects of the policy will remain wonderfully isolated from any fallout.


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    #98
    mansize
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Have I ever seen somebody get sexually assaulted? You're asking me this question???

    You said you didn't see Irish homeless people do it, I was contextualising.

    Who have you seen???


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    #99
    Letree
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    mikeym wrote: »
    If there was mass sexual assaults on New Years Eve it should be reported regardless of race.

    Its sad to see that the mainstream media is so regimented and conformist. No individuality seems to be allowed. I pretty sure there are honest journalists out there that would have been itching to do a story on this. But the editors wouldn't have it. Who is pulling the editors strings is quite worrying.


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    #100
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,044 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    mansize wrote: »
    You said you didn't see Irish homeless people do it, I was contextualising.

    Who have you seen???

    Jesus I didn't realise it had be so literal.

    Well ok I haven't "heard"


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    #101
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    Mental. This as an excuse for the animalistic behaviour is bordering madness.

    I never meant it as an excuse for the behaviour, rather that these people had an expectation of a certain standard of living and now find themselves in dormitories with hundreds of others.

    There have been numerous reports of problems in those camps for want of a better word, and now it seems it's spilling over.

    Germany have managed this badly.


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    #102
    Balf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 667 ✭✭✭Balf


    mansize wrote: »
    No the regional newspaper reported that- not the police chief- read the article his quotes are clear
    You are right that the figure of one third is not directly attributed to the police chief, but this isn't material. He said
    “There was a very large number of sexual assaults there - and in a massive way. Women were grabbed and attacked,” said Albers, adding that in one case the alleged crime fitted the legal definition of rape.

    “The crimes were committed by a group of people who from appearance were largely from the north African or Arab world,” the police chief added.


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    #103
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    mansize wrote: »
    That's a no then

    You saying they are lying ? I have not personally seen a Syrian Refugee yet you mean to say they are not real ?


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    #104
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Jesus I didn't realise it had be so literal.

    Well ok I haven't "heard"

    So you base you opinion on hearsay


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    #105
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    You saying they are lying ? I have not personally seen a Syrian Refugee yet you mean to say they are not real ?

    I have explained the point - read it again


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    #106
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    Stheno wrote: »
    I never meant it as an excuse for the behaviour, rather that these people had an expectation of a certain standard of living and now find themselves in dormitories with hundreds of others.

    There have been numerous reports of problems in those camps for want of a better word, and now it seems it's spilling over.

    Germany have managed this badly.

    The only way they managed it badly was by letting them in. An influx of so many with such backward ideologies was never going to be pretty.

    Let's not use the Germans as a scapegoat for the actions of these animals.


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    #107
    S. Goodspeed
    Registered Users Posts: 418 ✭✭S. Goodspeed


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    What part of any of that leads to sexual assault ? Pretty big reach to say this place is a crap hole I know lets go out and sexual assault people that will learn them.....

    I agree but I think it's a class thing rather than a religion thing. During hurricane Katerina gang rapes and attacks inside and outside of the super Dome were common place. I'd bet if you threw hundreds of Irish scangers into that accomodation for a few weeks you'd get similar results.


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    #108
    Lau2976
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Lau2976


    Stheno wrote: »
    A lot of the refugees in Germany are being housed in gyms, community centres, and unused industrial spaces.

    There have been numerous articles online about the difficulties in those centres and conflicts with locals.

    You can't just herd people into sub standard accomodation with hundreds sleeping in halls and expect everything to be fine.

    I think it's fairly normal to expect people who have been allowed into a country for protection, who have very little legal right to be there, not to commit sexual assaults because they don't like the accommodation.

    I'm not too fond of the place I'm in now, and my neighbour keeps complaining that my dog upsets her cats, guess I'll go try to attack someone in temple bar Saturday night.


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    #109
    darkpagandeath
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    S. Goodspeed wrote: »
    I agree but I think it's a class thing rather than a religion thing. During hurricane Katerina gang rapes and attacks inside and outside of the super Dome were common place. I'd bet if you threw hundreds of Irish scangers into that accomodation for a few weeks you'd get similar results.

    I thought all these refugees were the next Steve jobs and highly educated why compare them to skangers ?


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    #110
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Lau2976 wrote: »
    I think it's fairly normal to expect people who have been allowed into a country for protection, who have very little legal right to be there, not to commit sexual assaults because they don't like the accommodation.

    I'm not too fond of the place I'm in now, and my neighbour keeps complaining that my dog upsets her cats, guess I'll go try to attack someone in temple bar Saturday night.

    So before any trial you have assigned the guilty party to Muslim refugees- seems fair


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    #111
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users Posts: 34,044 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    mansize wrote: »
    So you base you opinion on hearsay

    No I Base it on good solid evidence.

    I have seen people get hanged in Iran. I have seen children get burned to death in Southern Africa. I saw a Girl stoned in street in Islamabad.

    I been to ****holes. I have met ****holes and I have seen plenty in action.

    I just know the world is dangerous place and not like the heaven of my own sitting room right now.


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    #112
    Riverireland
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    Stheno wrote: »
    I never meant it as an excuse for the behaviour, rather that these people had an expectation of a certain standard of living and now find themselves in dormitories with hundreds of others.

    There have been numerous reports of problems in those camps for want of a better word, and now it seems it's spilling over.

    Germany have managed this badly.

    What about our own homeless family's living in hotel rooms not much better than the tenements of 100 years ago? They wouldn't be excused for illegal behaviour due to their living conditions.


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    #113
    Lau2976
    Registered Users Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Lau2976


    mansize wrote: »
    So before any trial you have assigned the guilty party to Muslim refugees- seems fair

    I was responding to Sthenos point and not neccessarily on the current situabt in cologne.


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    #114
    Stheno
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    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    The only way they managed it badly was by letting them in. An influx of so many with such backward ideologies was never going to be pretty.

    That imo is the problem, they let too many in.

    In one village they increased the poplulation by some ridiculous amount of 400% by adding in refugees.

    That will do nothing for inclusion, and if there is a minority who will rape/csonsider non Muslims as infidels, that will affect their behaviour.

    We are talking about 1000 men here, Germany have taken in close to 1 million refugees this year so 1% involved in this behaviour


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    #115
    emo72
    Registered Users Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭emo72


    Stheno wrote: »
    I never meant it as an excuse for the behaviour, rather that these people had an expectation of a certain standard of living and now find themselves in dormitories with hundreds of others.

    There have been numerous reports of problems in those camps for want of a better word, and now it seems it's spilling over.

    Germany have managed this badly.

    interesting point you make there. what standard of housing should be provided?and if say in irelands case, we have a housing crisis, and we cant provide an acceptable standard of housing? its a question. is it even possible to have a discussion about this?

    second thing to consider and im not putting words into sthenos mouth here, is poor housing an excuse to be anti social or even criminal?


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    #116
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users Posts: 8,094 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    mansize wrote: »
    That's not the quote I'm disagreeing with he quoted a number given by the regional newspaper that he attributed wrongly to the Chief of police

    Whatever the number is, do you not find it slightly shocking and unprecedented that such a large group would gather for the express purpose of commiting crimes? This has been confirmed by the police. Perhaps you think that the women are making it up?

    Here is a (bad) translation from a German article with accounts from a couple of the alleged victims.

    It was New Year's Eve on the station square about a thousand men gathered, which apparently came from the Arab and North African region. There are small groups were formed, the women surrounded, harassed and phones and wallets were robbed, it said. The men were intoxicated and totally uninhibited

    The Cologne police has set up an investigation team after the incidents.

    The Cologne local newspapers quoted women who had been victims of organized sexual assaults: "I was seized under my dress and my buttocks," said a 22-year-old in the "Kölner Stadt-Anzeiger". "When I try to defend myself, I almost dropped the stairs." The tabloid "Express" quoted another victim that was passed between the main station and the nearby disco "Alter Wartesaal" through an alley of young men: "Suddenly I felt a hand on my buttocks, then on my breasts, after all, I was groped everywhere . " The assaults, wrote the Cologne police in the following days in press releases, were partly diversionary tactic for pickpocketing


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    #117
    mansize
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    No I Base it on good solid evidence.

    I have seen people get hanged in Iran. I have seen children get burned to death in Southern Africa. I saw a Girl stoned in street in Islamabad.

    I been to ****holes. I have met ****holes and I have seen plenty in action.

    I just know the world is dangerous place and not like the heaven of my own sitting room right now.

    Are you a soldier or a journalist??? Why are you in such war torn counties?


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    #118
    Stheno
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    emo72 wrote: »
    interesting point you make there. what standard of housing should be provided?and if say in irelands case, we have a housing crisis, and we cant provide an acceptable standard of housing? its a question. is it even possible to have a discussion about this?

    second thing to consider and im not putting words into sthenos mouth here, is poor housing an excuse to be anti social or even criminal?

    No there is no excuse, but my point here is that these people have been allowed to settle in Germany, in sub standard accomodation, with what seems to be little assimilation.

    THen they behave as they did at home, and it's contrary to Western behaviour, and we wonder why it happens. They are simply behaving as their culture permits.


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    #119
    ClovenHoof
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    On the approaches to Sligo People Before Profit took it upon themselves to place giant posters with 'Refugees Welcome'

    Let's not forget that Brendan Ogle from Right2FormerlyWater is placing get as many of these people into Ireland as possible at the top of their priorities.

    I wonder how the SWP Feminists feel about this? Someone go up to Foxrock and Dalkey and ask them.


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    #120
    Corpus Twisty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭Corpus Twisty


    mansize wrote: »
    Are you a soldier or a journalist??? Why are you in such war torn counties?

    He was possibly out there looking for reasons as to why a large group of refugees would gather beside a train station and rob and molest people. And what peoples reactions to such events would be...


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    Mongfinder General
    Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    Lau2976 wrote: »
    I think it's fairly normal to expect people who have been allowed into a country for protection, who have very little legal right to be there, not to commit sexual assaults because they don't like the accommodation.

    I'm not too fond of the place I'm in now, and my neighbour keeps complaining that my dog upsets her cats, guess I'll go try to attack someone in temple bar Saturday night.
    Temple Bar is a cess pit


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