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13-02-2019, 14:41   #16
 
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Higher density development. If you don't do that, the rest is an uphill battle.
There’s no convincing Irish people to live in apartments long term. You just have to look at the discussions on buying apartments when that happens
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13-02-2019, 14:47   #17
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There’s no convincing Irish people to live in apartments long term. You just have to look at the discussions on buying apartments when that happens
yes but we have a large "young" population. They would gladly live in city centre in compact space that was there own, if it was in any way reasonably affordable, which it currently isnt with the building "standards" we currently have. Funny how they are so concerned with size and light, yet noise isnt even a consideration
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There’s no convincing Irish people to live in apartments long term. You just have to look at the discussions on buying apartments when that happens
I don't think you have to even convince people to live in apartments long term per se. Younger people will happily live in apartments closer to city centres thus freeing up 3 and 4 bed house shares for families.

This is one way of easing pressure on housing.
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totally agree, build on Irish glass bottle site and possibly even the port, can house hundreds of thousands and they can walk or cycle to work! Get them out of house shares in the suburbs and free them up for families!
The higher the density of people, the more realistic it becomes to have a better transport network. There's no point building a metro system if every stop only has a small catchment of people living in the area. Dublin is too sprawled out to support a better metro. Unless we build a metro and designate areas for redevelopment around it for high density, it would be unsustainable.
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Again no money, late night services need to be paid for by someone ya know?
They sure do though in case what I was thinking was that the time span of peak traffic is already so wide people have a limited ability to avoid it via changing their working hours.

It's still insane the amount of traffic generated by schools being open. A proper schoolbus transport system similar to the US would likely help a lot.
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There’s no convincing Irish people to live in apartments long term. You just have to look at the discussions on buying apartments when that happens
Sadly true. If you ask me if I'd rather live in decent sized, well designed apartment with his amenities nearby like parks etc or spend 2+ hours a day commuting, plus all the additional associated costs including extra childcare, possible second car etc, I think it's a no brainer.
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yes but we have a large "young" population. They would gladly live in city centre in compact space that was there own, if it was in any way reasonably affordable, which it currently isnt with the building "standards" we currently have.
That’s the rental market. And in fact a lot of people do of course live in the centre in apartments, a lot of them immigrants.

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Who is the “we” here.
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yes but we have a large "young" population. They would gladly live in city centre in compact space that was there own, if it was in any way reasonably affordable, which it currently isnt with the building "standards" we currently have. Funny how they are so concerned with size and light, yet noise isnt even a consideration
What we build now is too compact, even for young people. Hence people don’t want to live in apartments in Dublin.
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What we build now is too compact, even for young people. Hence people don’t want to live in apartments in Dublin.
Ding Ding!!!

Exactly right.
People don't want to live in a little box. which is what a lot of apartments in town are.

Get anything moderately sized and your talking a price that would be close enough to the price of a 3 bed Semi-D.

None of these people grew up in apartments, so why the hell would they buy one when they could live in a house for the near enough the same price.
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What's needed is more buses, more trains(much faster as in better tracks and points), Luas and something done with the M50.

We need to look seriously at why buses are so slow and getting held up so badly.

We need 24hour clearways which need enforcement, yellow box enforcement, bus lane enforcement with much bigger fines, bus only streets and bus only turns enforcement (all this could be CCTV operation and no need for Garda which there are none around anyway),

Double red lines like in the UK where you can't load or unload which you are entitled to do on double yellow lines for 30 minutes.

Bus cage(bus stops) enforcement where you receive fine and points and a big one at that.

The amount of complete tools I come across daily and numerous times where they block bus stops and park for hours in some and this is even in the city centre which is ridiculous.

We need lights that give priority to buses and the ones in rathmines that are there already and on but do nothing. These should be utilised to give buses space and to get ahead so as they have a clear run.

Traffic is only going one way and it's getting worse all the time.

Many manyore things can and really should be done.

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We need 24hour clearways which need enforcement, yellow box enforcement, bus lane enforcement with much bigger fines, bus only streets and bus only turns enforcement (all this could be CCTV operation and no need for Garda which there are none around anyway),
Waiting at a bus stop on the quays is an exercise in anger management. Watching the number of cars drive down the bus lane and even worse, the number of cars that enter the yellow box with nowhere to go and block and the bus lane for a full light cycle is hard to deal with when everything moves so slowly overall.

At this point a garda twitter account you could tweet pictures of this to and have some enforcement happen would at least be something which could be implemented cheaply (though won't ever happen due to privacy and so on)
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Plenty of solutions being thrown around but they all cost money.

Our Capital investment is still way below what it should be - it's never recovered fully from the last recession. Overruns like the Children's Hospital don't really help and the public sector unions seem to have first dibs on any revenue increases.

I can't really see anything improving - there seems to be a huge amount of commercial development currently on-going in places like the IFSC - it's good to see in some ways but it's only going to put more strain on the existing infrastructure which is already over-capacity.
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This is something that needs fixing and fast.

There is no need for the way things are going and it's quite frankly nowhere fast at all.
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the morons in planning...
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What we build now is too compact, even for young people. Hence people don’t want to live in apartments in Dublin.
well the minimum sizes here a lot more generous than what standards and britain and germany mandate to the best of my knowledge. Of course what would that shower of fools know compared to a rock on the edge of europe, totally against urban living and that has one "city"...
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