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21-07-2018, 11:04   #61
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Who will look after the anti social behaviour along this greenway and dogs sh1te, Because that is sure to evolve as time goes on, children and teenagers. They'll discourage people from using the greenway, well the tourists will be well disgusted, some stretches will be ok, but those along side villages will be filled with torment
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Who will look after the anti social behaviour along this greenway and dogs sh1te, Because that is sure to evolve as time goes on, children and teenagers. They'll discourage people from using the greenway, well the tourists will be well disgusted, some stretches will be ok, but those along side villages will be filled with torment
Yes let's not build anything anywhere because teenagers.

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Obviously don't live in a town or village on the WRC
Hardly an argument at this stage, sure for the last five years people have been saying the greenway will be built next year and the next year and the next year and the next year 😴
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well I've experience of the one in Dungarvan and it seems to me to be full of cyclists and pedestrians , none of whom are behaving antisocially. Sounds like scaremongering to me.
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Interesting photograph included in this upbeat piece about the Velorail project: http://www.con-telegraph.ie/news/rou...-is-on-course/ as there's not a concrete sleeper to be seen between Claremorris and Collooney.

I'm looking forward to my first trip on the Velorail.
I have heard they are having a few planning issues, in the sense they never applied for planning permission for the project and the whole thing was going through on a nod and wink to Minister Ring basis, "sure will ye give us a quick €300,000 Euro there Michael and we will start the project and not finish it and come back for more, oh and by the way Michael, don]t ya know we have no planning permission for all this, and there has been no public consultation, sure what the hell lets get the money spent Michael, sure doesn't money buy votes now sure no one will send it off to An Bord Pleanala for investigation!".....Oh dear still waiting on that last one!
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Does Mr flynn not get it? An Taoiseach was pointing out that any infrastructure funding on that route will go into the N17. Apart from making the most sense, this is what most people want.
Nobody is going to rebuild a victorian railway that nobodyy was using. When will that sink in with the few remaining diehards?
No he doesn't get it and probably never will there is a cohort of diehards in particular in parts of Mayo that see the Western Rail Corridor now as a battleground for what defines investment in the west. Such a pity as the west actually has such a lot going for it. Technology has moved everyone closer to the digital economy; developing the connectivity to the digital cable that landed in Killala a couple of years back is more important than the closed railway. Building tourism infrastructure like the Western Rail Trail is more important and yes the N17 is critical. What the article in the Mayo News ignored was the that the N17 was not excluded from TEN-T, and they failed to point out what Varadakar said about the Western Rail Corridor just a few months back

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“The commitment on the western rail corridor in the programme for Government is not to build or complete it but to carry out such an appraisal of a benefit to cost ratio. The last time it was done it came out negatively at a cost of 100 against six - 100 being the cost and six the benefit. Most rail projects come out around 100 to 80.” (Leo Varadkar in the Dail on Wednesday February 14th 2018)
The diehards will continue to stop the Western Rail Trail as much as they can but it will happen, it may take ten more years but it will happen.
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Quiet man Greenway’ route ticks all the boxes of new strategy

http://www.tuamherald.ie/news/roundu...-new-strategy/

Have to be honest, I detest that name. The movie came out nearly 70 years ago ffs
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Have to be honest, I detest that name. The movie came out nearly 70 years ago ffs
Agree - and it's inaccurate anyway - apart from Ballyglunin Station what other locations on this Greenway have a connection to the film?

A Greenway through Cong would have more of a claim on this name.
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Have to be honest, I detest that name. The movie came out nearly 70 years ago ffs
The quiet man brand is as strong as ever -- ask anyone in Cong.
The best thing about this name is that it is instantly recognisable, and that Failte Ireland will absolutely love it. The latter is very important because apparently they have some kind of veto on funding for greenways.
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The quiet man brand is as strong as ever -- ask anyone in Cong.
The best thing about this name is that it is instantly recognisable, and that Failte Ireland will absolutely love it. The latter is very important because apparently they have some kind of veto on funding for greenways.
Seriously, nobody outside Ballyglunin or Cong puts any stock in the brand. Those who do have a deficiency of imagination. The quiet man was made in the era of diddly eye crap and only those hoping to squeeze the last drops out of the diddly eye rubbish are interested in seeing it continue.

Rather, it would be a much smarter move to go the truly historical route which would highlight the many old castles, churches, stations, bridges, towns and villages along the route. That would still allow for the Ballyglunin station to be prominent and be promoted both as part of the whole and as its own entity. Call it "The Historical Greenway"

Alternatively, go the nature route and highlight and develop natural poi's and encourage development of nature/environmental focused amenities. Glamping, eco-agri sites, village markets, lakes, forests, rivers, fishing etc etc etc. Call it "The Eco Way" or some such

Can you honestly say that the quiet man brand is more appealing to market for greenways than either of those options.

Naming the entire route after a movie from 70 years ago because one location featured in 2 scenes for 3 mins. Really???

Doing so is a disservice to all the locations along the route which have no ties to the brand and severely limits the marketability of the amenity going. Instead of the development potential, it would be hobbled from the start.
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Seriously, nobody outside Ballyglunin or Cong puts any stock in the brand. Those who do have a deficiency of imagination. The quiet man was made in the era of diddly eye crap and only those hoping to squeeze the last drops out of the diddly eye rubbish are interested in seeing it continue.

Rather, it would be a much smarter move to go the truly historical route which would highlight the many old castles, churches, stations, bridges, towns and villages along the route. That would still allow for the Ballyglunin station to be prominent and be promoted both as part of the whole and as its own entity. Call it "The Historical Greenway"

Alternatively, go the nature route and highlight and develop natural poi's and encourage development of nature/environmental focused amenities. Glamping, eco-agri sites, village markets, lakes, forests, rivers, fishing etc etc etc. Call it "The Eco Way" or some such

Can you honestly say that the quiet man brand is more appealing to market for greenways than either of those options.

Naming the entire route after a movie from 70 years ago because one location featured in 2 scenes for 3 mins. Really???

Doing so is a disservice to all the locations along the route which have no ties to the brand and severely limits the marketability of the amenity going. Instead of the development potential, it would be hobbled from the start.
I suspect you're right, call it the Ballyglunin Trail with a small sub-title of "Quiet Man Country" or similar might be better
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The quiet man brand is as strong as ever -- ask anyone in Cong.
The best thing about this name is that it is instantly recognisable, and that Failte Ireland will absolutely love it. The latter is very important because apparently they have some kind of veto on funding for greenways.
Seriously, nobody outside Ballyglunin or Cong puts any stock in the brand. Those who do have a deficiency of imagination. The quiet man was made in the era of diddly eye crap and only those hoping to squeeze the last drops out of the diddly eye rubbish are interested in seeing it continue.

Rather, it would be a much smarter move to go the truly historical route which would highlight the many old castles, churches, stations, bridges, towns and villages along the route. That would still allow for the Ballyglunin station to be prominent and be promoted both as part of the whole and as its own entity. Call it "The Historical Greenway"

Alternatively, go the nature route and highlight and develop natural poi's and encourage development of nature/environmental focused amenities. Glamping, eco-agri sites, village markets, lakes, forests, rivers, fishing etc etc etc. Call it "The Eco Way" or some such

Can you honestly say that the quiet man brand is more appealing to market for greenways than either of those options.

Naming the entire route after a movie from 70 years ago because one location featured in 2 scenes for 3 mins. Really???

Doing so is a disservice to all the locations along the route which have no ties to the brand and severely limits the marketability of the amenity going. Instead of the development potential, it would be hobbled from the start.
Good points. I wouldn't get too hung up on the name though. It's very much a means to an end. It'll be the Athenry-Tuam Greenway when that end finally arrives.
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Who will look after the anti social behaviour along this greenway and dogs sh1te, Because that is sure to evolve as time goes on, children and teenagers. They'll discourage people from using the greenway, well the tourists will be well disgusted, some stretches will be ok, but those along side villages will be filled with torment
Let me point out what silly nonsense this is. My sister lives very close to the Blackrock to Passage Railway, which is now a Greenway, but isn't called that because it has existed as a "greenway" for well over 20 years, far before the concept of "greenways" was popularised.

Every time I visit her, I walk this route and it is absolutely jam packed with people of every age from the very youngest to the very oldest. From parents bringing their kids for their first cycle, to people running, to elderly enjoying a stroll.

The people of the area absolutely love it, organised community walking groups walk it weekly.

No anti social behaviour and this is very close to the heart of Cork city.
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nice quote from Western Rail Trail campaign in this article in the Indo today
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"The Western Rail Trail campaign groups in Galway, Mayo and Sligo have called for the closed line from Athenry to Collooney to be preserved as a 130km-long greenway route to promote tourism
They claimed Galway and Mayo County Councils were "missing a trick" now that the National Greenway Strategy has been launched and funds are available."
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-37162747.html

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nice quote from Western Rail Trail campaign in this article in the Indo today

https://www.independent.ie/business/...-37162747.html
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