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28-02-2019, 16:47   #4861
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If you say so, I guess. Quality rebuttal there.

The city is already awash with bus lanes, most of the routes on the corridors have existing bus lanes. the cycle lanes are adding an additional 2 metres on each side of the route, hence the widening.

Its straightforward enough.
People from areas where the cycle lane is detoured off the bus lane are still complaining endlessly about this, so you're wrong there. Remove the cycle lanes and there'd still be complaining about it.
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28-02-2019, 17:14   #4862
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If you say so, I guess. Quality rebuttal there.

The city is already awash with bus lanes, most of the routes on the corridors have existing bus lanes. the cycle lanes are adding an additional 2 metres on each side of the route, hence the widening.

Its straightforward enough.
That's just not true, there are bus lanes where painting them on wasn't impinging too much on space allocated to private cars but this has resulted in numerous and extremely troublesome pinch points in the network where the road narrows and car becomes king. Bus connects address the pinch points and delivers cycling infrastructure which separates cyclists from buses, increasing the speed of both by removing conflict.

For example ask anyone who gets a bus from Blanch to the City Centre, they'll tell you old cabra road and Prussia st, i.e. the part with no bus lane represents about half the journey time. This will be resolved by bus connects. Similar issues on the Rathfarnham corridor.
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28-02-2019, 17:26   #4863
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I thought it might be the case where there was another article or even a tweet where they explained themselves more fully but there really doesn't seem to be anything out there in relation to these better/cheaper solutions.

The meeting of the Rathgar Residents Association on bus connects seemed to have a specific focus and it wasn't the health of public transport

https://www.rathgarresidentsassociat...tation-process
Their alternative is the Metro South West suggestion. So nothing doable in the same timeframe as Busconnects.
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28-02-2019, 20:32   #4864
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we need massive P&R facilities with a luas/DART running parallel to the M50 and hubs to local services at the main junctions - M1, M3, N4, N7, N11 - along with looking at upgrading some of the link roads between the M3-M4-M7 (an outer half M50)
How are this plan going to get implemented without anyone opposing it? How will it stop politicians winning votes by lying about it?

I generally reject the idea that Ireland is special or unique or that we need "Irish solutions" to problems that are common elsewhere. If you're going to cede that of course busconnects will fail because of opposition I don't see how you can then propose an alternative plan that needs the same things as busconnects in order to happen.

A different way of looking at it is every infrastructure plan will be opposed so you may as well come up with the best plan you can and then plough on ahead. Ultimately something like busconnects will happen, the only question is whether it happens before or after the existing transport infrastructure becomes a crisis with similar attention as currently placed on housing and health.
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28-02-2019, 20:57   #4865
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With me so far?
Honestly my eyes glazed over in the first sentence when I realised you'd missed the joke.
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28-02-2019, 21:14   #4866
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Honestly my eyes glazed over in the first sentence when I realised you'd missed the joke.
D'oh! Apologies.. My bad!

Although, it's genuinely hard to tell as the motorist seems to get blamed for everything transport-related these days
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