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28-02-2019, 16:47   #4861
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If you say so, I guess. Quality rebuttal there.

The city is already awash with bus lanes, most of the routes on the corridors have existing bus lanes. the cycle lanes are adding an additional 2 metres on each side of the route, hence the widening.

Its straightforward enough.
People from areas where the cycle lane is detoured off the bus lane are still complaining endlessly about this, so you're wrong there. Remove the cycle lanes and there'd still be complaining about it.
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28-02-2019, 17:14   #4862
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If you say so, I guess. Quality rebuttal there.

The city is already awash with bus lanes, most of the routes on the corridors have existing bus lanes. the cycle lanes are adding an additional 2 metres on each side of the route, hence the widening.

Its straightforward enough.
That's just not true, there are bus lanes where painting them on wasn't impinging too much on space allocated to private cars but this has resulted in numerous and extremely troublesome pinch points in the network where the road narrows and car becomes king. Bus connects address the pinch points and delivers cycling infrastructure which separates cyclists from buses, increasing the speed of both by removing conflict.

For example ask anyone who gets a bus from Blanch to the City Centre, they'll tell you old cabra road and Prussia st, i.e. the part with no bus lane represents about half the journey time. This will be resolved by bus connects. Similar issues on the Rathfarnham corridor.
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I thought it might be the case where there was another article or even a tweet where they explained themselves more fully but there really doesn't seem to be anything out there in relation to these better/cheaper solutions.

The meeting of the Rathgar Residents Association on bus connects seemed to have a specific focus and it wasn't the health of public transport

https://www.rathgarresidentsassociat...tation-process
Their alternative is the Metro South West suggestion. So nothing doable in the same timeframe as Busconnects.
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28-02-2019, 20:32   #4864
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we need massive P&R facilities with a luas/DART running parallel to the M50 and hubs to local services at the main junctions - M1, M3, N4, N7, N11 - along with looking at upgrading some of the link roads between the M3-M4-M7 (an outer half M50)
How are this plan going to get implemented without anyone opposing it? How will it stop politicians winning votes by lying about it?

I generally reject the idea that Ireland is special or unique or that we need "Irish solutions" to problems that are common elsewhere. If you're going to cede that of course busconnects will fail because of opposition I don't see how you can then propose an alternative plan that needs the same things as busconnects in order to happen.

A different way of looking at it is every infrastructure plan will be opposed so you may as well come up with the best plan you can and then plough on ahead. Ultimately something like busconnects will happen, the only question is whether it happens before or after the existing transport infrastructure becomes a crisis with similar attention as currently placed on housing and health.
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28-02-2019, 20:57   #4865
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With me so far?
Honestly my eyes glazed over in the first sentence when I realised you'd missed the joke.
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Honestly my eyes glazed over in the first sentence when I realised you'd missed the joke.
D'oh! Apologies.. My bad!

Although, it's genuinely hard to tell as the motorist seems to get blamed for everything transport-related these days
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Community forum dates for phase 3 are up https://www.busconnects.ie/initiatives/community-forum/

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  • Ballymum to City Centre & Finglas to Phibsborough Corridors in the Ballymum Axis Arts Centre, Main Street Ballymun, Dublin 9, D09 Y9W0 on Wednesday 10th April from 18:30 – 20:00.
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A couple of letters in the Irish Times over the last couple of days in support of the Bus Connects project. It's kind of a shame we have to rely on people writing in to get the obvious printed

BusConnects is Essential

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Sir, – Can everyone in Terenure and Rathgar who is opposed to the BusConnects plan please sit on a bus from Rathfarnham to Dublin city centre every morning and evening and tell me that improvements to the service are not necessary?

Even getting the bus at 6.30am means it takes up to an hour to get to Pearse Street.

Rathgar has posters all over it to say it is village not a corridor, but house prices in this area do not reflect a village setting.

They can’t have it all. They need to think about the bigger picture not just for their communities but for all the communities beyond Dublin 6 who are as much a part of Dublin.

BusConnects needs to happen. – Yours, etc,
Keeps the trees, remove the cars

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Sir, – Dedicated bus and cycle lanes are not the cause of road realignments requiring tree removal and other anguish. The choice to maintain car lanes at all costs is the culprit. – Yours, etc,
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There's no such thing as a car lane

Lets be honest here, it is the Bike Connects dedicated cycle lanes that are going to chop down whatever trees are left on our streets
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05-04-2019, 14:10   #4870
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There's no such thing as a car lane

Lets be honest here, it is the Bike Connects dedicated cycle lanes that are going to chop down whatever trees are left on our streets
I'm not really sure how to respond to your first point.

On your second, do you support restricting cars instead so the important trees can be retained?
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The audacity of using trees as a reason to keep car access is astounding, or terminally ignorant, can't decide which.
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You can agree that my first point is correct and that's about the only response that's valid.

They're not chopping down trees to make space for plain vanilla roads lads, those lanes for ALL trafiic types that everyone who's not somewhere beyond Eamonn Ryan levels of deluded understands we still need for a functioning transport system rather than just a commuting system

Those lanes already in place

They're not even chopping the trees down to make space for bus lanes.

By and large, those lanes are already in place

The trees are being felled to put in the additional cycle lanes.

That's just the reality of Bus Connects lads
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06-04-2019, 12:48   #4873
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You can agree that my first point is correct and that's about the only response that's valid.

They're not chopping down trees to make space for plain vanilla roads lads, those lanes for ALL trafiic types that everyone who's not somewhere beyond Eamonn Ryan levels of deluded understands we still need for a functioning transport system rather than just a commuting system

Those lanes already in place

They're not even chopping the trees down to make space for bus lanes.

By and large, those lanes are already in place

The trees are being felled to put in the additional cycle lanes.

That's just the reality of Bus Connects lads
Remove cars from those roads and you'd still have a functioning transport system.
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This "urban village" idea which is being spread is an interesting notion, and yet another consequence of our bad planning which has discouraged the building of high rise and density in the city centre. Now every location with bungalows and small houses within sight of Grafton street are getting a notion that they are a "village', and shouldn't be bothered by things like traffic while retaining all the benefits of living close to the city centre.
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Particularly in the SW, BusConnects could knock 45 minutes off your bus journey. That is absolutely massive considering the hundreds of thousands of people who use the bus to commute in Dublin everyday - this project could give you an extra 45 mins in bed or time for an extra pint in the evening with your friends. Cycling is also amazing. Quicker, great for your health, there are loads of people who would love to cycle but they're (legitimately) scared of getting injured. This our chance to solve that for a lot of people.

Regarding road widening and tress. If you recognise the need for bus and cycling infrastructure, and that less people will be driving when these are both safe, reliable and quick options, but oppose road widening and felling trees then I think advocating in favour of making these routes one way or bus and cycle only is completely legitimate as an alternative. It's keeping private car space that is causing the road widening, not the very necessary sustainable transport infrastructure.

Opposing the project flat out because you're happy with high levels of Co2 emissions, chronic air pollution (a Trinity study said 6,000 people will die prematurely between 2015 & 2024 in Ireland due to private car emissions - mainly diesel) and long, long commutes in your car is not legitimate in my view. We've the most congested city in Europe and we're facing a climate crisis.
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