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Fake watch busters

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  • #122
    FingerDeKat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭FingerDeKat


    893bet wrote: »
    I am always suspicious of people whose adds are characterised by bikes/phones/TVs. Very liquid items easily transported!
    Tv's without remote controls are a giveaway :)


  • #123
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,736 ✭✭✭893bet


    FingerDeKat wrote: »
    Tv's without remote controls are a giveaway :)

    https://www.adverts.ie/13216309

    Lol

    And the below......found it.......yeah nacker confirmed

    https://www.adverts.ie/13117750


  • #124
    Trigger Happy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,067 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    Thats back up for sale now
    https://www.adverts.ie/15411850

    The seller turned down €650 he’s mad as a hatter after only paying €200

    I am asking a few questions about that one. Hate the thought of someone profiting from a stolen watch if that is the case.


  • #125
    Spocker
    Moderators Posts: 6,851 ✭✭✭Spocker


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    I am asking a few questions about that one. Hate the thought of someone profiting from a stolen watch if that is the case.

    I'm keeping an overwatch on that one too


  • #126
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    OmegaGene wrote: »



    Hmmm

    I met the seller of that piece once. I was selling a piece and he came to view it, well at least that was what he wanted to do on the phone. But when he arrived he had no interest in buying my piece, but instead tried to sell me his Noob factory fake Submariner. He seems to deal in both cars and watches, usually making low-ball offers on multiple ads on Adverts.ie
    Personally I would not deal with him, neither buying nor selling.


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  • #127
    HDMI
    Registered Users Posts: 747 ✭✭✭HDMI


    I love searching Oris on Adverts, the amount of tat you find from India is unreal :eek:

    Sellers of these watches should have to prove authenticity and movement shots, they are just scamming unsuspecting buyers.

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  • #128
    T-Maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Lately a lot of those repainted Oris frankenwatches are being sold out of the uk as well, for hugely inflated prices to boot. And never a pic of the movement!


  • #129
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    T-Maxx wrote: »
    Lately a lot of those repainted Oris frankenwatches are being sold out of the uk as well, for hugely inflated prices to boot. And never a pic of the movement!

    What are they based on HMT?
    Shocking dials. I can't believe anyone would buy them. But as the saying goes; a fool and his money are easily parted. I suppose there is always someone that thinks they have found a Swiss made piece in India. Favre Leuba and Seiko 5 seem to be other brands they favour faking in India.


  • #130
    2shea
    Registered Users Posts: 651 ✭✭✭2shea


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seiko but this made me chuckle


    https://www.adverts.ie/15557183

    Oh that doesn't look right


  • #131
    Time
    Registered Users Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Time


    2shea wrote: »
    Oh that doesn't look right

    I know zero about vintage Seikos, what was off about that one?


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  • #132
    2shea
    Registered Users Posts: 651 ✭✭✭2shea


    Time wrote: »
    I know zero about vintage Seikos, what was off about that one?

    The finish looked very poor even for a vintage. Main that I noticed was "Automatic" was written crooked on the dial. But then again I own a lot of modern day Seiko watches and they are still finding it hard to get things to line up straight :rolleyes:


  • #133
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    2shea wrote: »
    The finish looked very poor even for a vintage. Main that I noticed was "Automatic" was written crooked on the dial. But then again I own a lot of modern day Seiko watches and they are still finding it hard to get things to line up straight :rolleyes:

    I am amazed that anyone would purchase a Seiko piece from India. When modern Seiko 5 pieces can be purchased from Amazon.co.uk at very reasonable prices; often under £100. If one fancies a vintage Seiko piece, there are plenty of EU based sellers on Ebay etc; with excellent feedback; so one doesn't need to take the risk. I have owned HMT pieces which were excellent; and that is the only brand I would consider purchasing from India. Agreed on the modern Seiko quality issues. I cannot believe the chapter ring alignment issues still persist on the Turtle SRP77 series. Ironically the cheaper Seiko 5 series and SXX007's don't seem to have the same problems as much. K (Malaysia) made seem to be as good or better than the J (Japan) made ones.


  • #134
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,223 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    Now I don’t claim to be an expert on seiko but this made me chuckle


    https://www.adverts.ie/15557183

    As VostokIreland said, this looks like one of the hundreds of seikos you see for sale on ebay from india. I've been looking a lot lately for a couple of HMT's and I see hundreds of seikos like this. If you really want one, go to ebay and search for vintage automatic watch, you'll see loads of stuff from india, and lots for around €10.
    VostokIreland, I'm guessing guys in india are buying lots of broken cheap old watches, cleaning them up and using HMT or other cheap movements or cheap repairs? I can't imagine them running for long. Lots of citizens too.

    From my research, forget about almost anything form India, Pakistan or Malaysia


  • #135
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    Cienciano wrote: »
    As VostokIreland said, this looks like one of the hundreds of seikos you see for sale on ebay from india. I've been looking a lot lately for a couple of HMT's and I see hundreds of seikos like this. If you really want one, go to ebay and search for vintage automatic watch, you'll see loads of stuff from india, and lots for around €10.
    VostokIreland, I'm guessing guys in india are buying lots of broken cheap old watches, cleaning them up and using HMT or other cheap movements or cheap repairs? I can't imagine them running for long. Lots of citizens too.

    From my research, forget about almost anything form India, Pakistan or Malaysia

    Well I wouldn't totally rule out Malaysia as the SEiko SKX007 K series are made there. But agreed, used pieces from there are buyer beware. India is a great source of used HMT's; just as Russia is for Vostok. But for any other brands I think its safer to buy from EU sellers with excellent feedback on Ebay.
    Also agree that most of these Frankenwatch fakes are Citizen based; due to the HMT movements being based on Citizen. I think they sold them the tooling you see. I quite fancy another Sona actually, as the dial texture is lovely on them. Lovely slim vintage case size on them for a dress watch too.
    Which is your favourite HMT piece?


  • #136
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    https://www.adverts.ie/15645963

    A Day-Date with no day complication. Quartz. I wonder how much he paid the looky looky man on the beach in Santa Ponsa for it?
    Shocking piece altogether.


  • #137
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,736 ✭✭✭893bet


    https://www.adverts.ie/14352705

    Prob not fake but asking price is lol! Enough stretch to wear on upper arm.


  • #138
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    893bet wrote: »
    https://www.adverts.ie/14352705

    Prob not fake but asking price is lol! Enough stretch to wear on upper arm.

    Real. But agreed the bracelet is stretched. Also with no box nor papers it is overpriced. If what the seller says is true, her 4K auction bid was overpriced too.
    One would expect box and papers for that price.
    Rule number one; never buy a Rolex piece without box and papers. No exceptions.
    None of us are ever going to be in the market for Paul Newman's Daytona, a Comex, or 5517 Milsub etc. And these are the very high end pieces that one wouldn't expect to see box and papers included with. But for Datejusts etc, I consider it mandatory.


  • #139
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    Serious stretch on the bracelet alright
    Dreamer of the year with the price
    Nothing wrong with not having box and papers on a Rolex either if you know what you’re doing and it’s easy to get them verified if in any doubt

    Box and paper are not just for provenance of a piece.
    One must look at resale value, and future investment potential.
    A piece with box and papers will be worth much more in the future than one without.
    Look at the 60's Rolex GMT Master on Antiques Roadshow (Youtube) as an example of why box and paper are so important.
    One needs to take the long view with Rolex, value of one's piece when one's son inherits it in 50 years etc.


  • #140
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not exactly fakes, but dubious descriptions to bump prices and this goes on a lot, though eBay is way worse for it. The Adverts dudes have removed the "Nazi/SS watch fakes that used to be all over the place, so kudos there.

    Post war dress watch from the same company, but not a Kriegsmarine military watch.

    Mine for comparison.

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    A real one can often be had for around the 300 - 400 squids mark. Auctions though, not from dealers on Chrono24. Actually these come up often enough from usually to be avoided places like Ukraine and Russia. War booty and that. If you know what to look for. If the Adverts one tickled your fancy, here's one in better nick for 125 quid. Correctly described.

    Not military either.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #141
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    Wibbs, do you think the same goes on with CWC G10 and RN divers respectively.
    Civilian ones sold as MOD issued ones?


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  • #142
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Not so much, unless advertised as issued. They're the exact same watch at least. The above example isn't.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #143
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Rolex "man watch" eh? :D Yep as fake as a hooker's smile.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #144
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    https://www.adverts.ie/15675841
    Illegal yeah OG, but at least for a nice change they straight out say it's a "replica".

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #145
    Spocker
    Moderators Posts: 6,851 ✭✭✭Spocker


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    I am still amazed people want to buy this crap and the spend over €200 is madness

    But but but ... it had a genuine replica box!

    ("genuine replica" is one of my favourite phrases, I have to admit :) )


  • #146
    Spocker
    Moderators Posts: 6,851 ✭✭✭Spocker


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    It’s back again

    Not any more :)


  • #147
    thelizardking1
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭thelizardking1


    https://www.donedeal.ie/jewellery-for-sale/replica-rolex-men-watch/19094444

    I feel ill.

    "proper Ceramic Insert"

    "screw fix links"


  • #148
    2shea
    Registered Users Posts: 651 ✭✭✭2shea


    thelizardking1 wrote: »
    https://www.donedeal.ie/jewellery-for-sale/replica-rolex-men-watch/19094444

    I feel ill.

    "proper Ceramic Insert"

    "screw fix links"

    The original Rolex display case back lools great though


  • #149
    The_Guvnor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 176 ✭✭The_Guvnor


    OmegaGene wrote: »
    Serious stretch on the bracelet alright
    Dreamer of the year with the price
    Nothing wrong with not having box and papers on a Rolex either if you know what you’re doing and it’s easy to get them verified if in any doubt

    Rule number one.
    Never buy a Rolex without box and papers.
    Why?
    Watch this video, and learn why box and papers are so important in the future.
    120 USD in 1960 to 65-70K+ USD 55 years later.
    It is not just a case of verifying authenticity.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olawVhNhJqw


  • #150
    Time
    Registered Users Posts: 993 ✭✭✭Time


    VostokIreland wrote: »
    Rule number one.
    Never buy a Rolex without box and papers.
    Why?
    Watch this video, and learn why box and papers are so important in the future.
    120 USD in 1960 to 65-70K+ USD 55 years later.
    It is not just a case of verifying authenticity.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olawVhNhJqw

    Same with any of the big brands, you’ll get absolutely hammered on resale without the box and papers. Although with Omega if you order a replacement box from somewhere and get the original chrono cert from Omega you might be ok


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  • #151
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,736 ✭✭✭893bet


    VostokIreland wrote: »
    Rule number one.
    Never buy a Rolex without box and papers.
    Why?
    Watch this video, and learn why box and papers are so important in the future.
    120 USD in 1960 to 65-70K+ USD 55 years later.
    It is not just a case of verifying authenticity.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olawVhNhJqw

    No problem with a Rolex loose if price reflect that.

    Prefer an unpolished well maintain Rolex loose than a poorly polished, unmaintained one with papers etc. Papers are only a small factor.

    You sell more for profit than I do perhaps that's a different in perspectives.


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