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Who thinks Trump will win?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Things are starting to unravel pretty quick for Biden.

    https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1317960566703415297?s=20

    Ukraine also have a second laptop, https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudys-russian-agent-pal-teases-second-laptop-with-hunter-biden-kompromat

    I don't see how Biden is going to recover from all this..

    From your own link,
    The claim appears to muddy the waters around Giuliani’s latest “smoking gun” charge against Hunter Biden. He says they came to light after an obscure Delaware computer repair shop owner found Biden’s laptop in his possession and copied the hard drive before alerting federal authorities and inexplicably Giuliani’s own lawyer. Now, with Derkach jumping in with claims of a “second laptop,” that would mean private computer contents allegedly connected to Hunter Biden have somehow found their way into the hands of three separate parties: A media empire controlled by a Chinese billionaire who’s tight with Steve Bannon; a random Delaware shop owner who is outspoken in his support of Trump; and Derkach, a Ukrainian conspiracy theory peddler who studied at Moscow’s FSB academy.

    Derkach wrote on Facebook about the questionable New York Post report that relied on unverified images of emails provided by Trump allies to supposedly prove a corruption scheme by Biden and his son involving Ukrainian gas company Burisma. He then said there was a second laptop, which was used by “two representatives for the interests of [Burisma founder Mykola] Zlochevsky.”

    “That laptop was given to Ukrainian law enforcement,” Derkach wrote, adding that the Burisma representatives who used the laptop were now serving as “witnesses in criminal proceedings.” He said the witnesses were ready to testify about an international corruption scheme involving Biden and his son, Hunter, who served on the board of the gas company.

    It has already been reported that Russian intelligence agents successfully hacked into Burisma computer networks last year, although it is not clear how much they were able to access and copy.

    Despite what Team Trump would have the public believe is a towering mountain of evidence, neither Joe or Hunter Biden have been charged with any wrongdoing, and Ukrainian prosecutors confirmed months ago that they had found no evidence of any crimes.

    Derkach is no newbie to the Biden saga. While cozying up to Trump allies like Giuliani during impeachment proceedings, he held repeated press conferences in Kyiv touting purported proof of corruption by the former vice president, and claiming it was not Russia that interfered in the 2016 election, but Ukraine. He also featured prominently in an “exposé” by the Trumpian One America News Network, and met with Giuliani in Kyiv last year as part of their anti-Biden mission. His claims have not held up under scrutiny.

    After Derkach was sanctioned by the U.S. Treasury Department in September for working as a foreign operative, Giuliani insisted he had not seen “any evidence” to conclusively say whether Derkach was working as a Russian agent or not.

    He told The Daily Beast this week that he believed it was a toss up whether his partner in the Biden smearing campaign was an active intelligence operative. “The chance that Derkach is a Russian spy is no better than 50/50,” he said.

    so I mean... what's unraveling exactly?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,370 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Things are starting to unravel pretty quick for Biden.

    https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1317960566703415297?s=20

    Ukraine also have a second laptop, https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudys-russian-agent-pal-teases-second-laptop-with-hunter-biden-kompromat

    I don't see how Biden is going to recover from all this..
    It's not Ukraine that is claiming a second laptop. According to that link it is Andrii Derkach who is saying this.

    A reminder of who he is:
    The Treasury announced sanctions on Thursday against Andrii Derkach, who is a member of the Ukrainian parliament, and said he has had close ties to Russia's intelligence services for more than a decade. It also accused him of waging a "covert influence campaign" since late 2019 targeting the U.S. election.
    https://www.npr.org/2020/09/11/911957914/giuliani-distances-himself-from-ukrainian-sanctioned-by-u-s-as-russian-agent?t=1603063321432

    This jigsaw is a four piece jigsaw made for toddlers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Luxxis wrote: »
    If they adapt or censor anything they are publishers,

    Not a perfect analogy but I think folks get the idea.

    Here's a lawyer explaining it, does a better job than me.

    Again with the videos. What is it with you people that you can't articulate an opinion and then expect others to watch some video by some guy with a youtube account?


    If this was explained well by this youtuber, surely you can put it into words.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Again with the videos. What is it with you people that you can't articulate an opinion and then expect others to watch some video by some guy with a youtube account?


    If this was explained well by this youtuber, surely you can put it into words.

    You should also watch Loose Change it's very compelling and the narrator sounds genuine etc. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Again with the videos. What is it with you people that you can't articulate an opinion and then expect others to watch some video by some guy with a youtube account?


    If this was explained well by this youtuber, surely you can put it into words.

    Best not click on them either. As your YouTube suggestions will be full of people "owning" people for days after.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    km991148 wrote: »
    Fair enough, I misread, can you share more on this? I don't know what Parler is, but that tweet just hints at someone getting upset but nothing to back it up.

    From what I've seen recently there is plenty of YouTube channels that have plenty of openly mysogynistic, homophobic and racist comments and nothing done. Look up Alex Belfield in the UK for example. Guy is clearly a shill buy the comments are golden.

    There are and that's often the points they make when they get demonetized, as it makes no sense given what is up on YouTube. Ted Cruz often calls them on it:


    https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1136634378044551169

    They've let Crowder monetize his videos again since.

    Another way YouTube have a bias is in search results. There are a ton of completion videos, for example, of AOC showing how she always says dumb things but if you type AOC into YouTube, you'll struggle to find any and instead what shows up are almost all positive for the first 100 results or more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Best not click on them either. As your YouTube suggestions will be full of people "owning" people for days after.


    I learned that the hard way when I watched Joe Rogan interview Leah Remini.

    It takes so little to get bombarded with right-wing talking heads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    I wonder what the "social media is out against the right" crowd will make of this report, that FB throttled visibility to partisan leaning websites - on the left:
    When Facebook tweaked its newsfeed algorithm in 2017 to reduce the visibility of political news, the company’s engineers intentionally designed the system to disproportionately impact left-leaning outlets, effectively choking off their traffic in the process.

    According to a Wall Street Journal report this week, Facebook bigwigs at the time were concerned about how these changes would affect right-leaning news outlets and wanted to avoid adding fuel to critics’ argument that the platform has an anti-conservative bias. However, in its attempt to appear unbiased, the company evidently overcorrected (which it has a history of doing). Facebook’s engineers overhauled the update to affect left-leaning sites more than previously planned, and CEO Mark Zuckerberg himself OK’d the redesign, sources told the Journal. The changes weren’t aimed at any particular outlet, the company later said.

    “We did not make changes with the intent of impacting individual publishers,” a Facebook spokesperson told the outlet.

    One of the sites the report cited as being negatively affected by this redesign is Mother Jones, a renowned investigative news outlet. In response to the Journal’s exposé, Mother Jones editorial director for growth and strategy Ben Dreyfuss wrote a scathing critique of Facebook that details years of frustrating and strained relations with the company. He said that in multiple meetings with Facebook execs in 2017 and 2018, he was assured that while publishers could expect traffic to lag after the algorithmic changes, it was “not in a way that favored or disfavored any single publication or class of publisher.”

    And yet, in 2019, several of the site’s editors wrote that traffic from Facebook had tanked dramatically over the last 18 months, translating to a loss of at least $600,000.

    Mother Jones CEO Monika Bauerlein expressed frustration with Facebook in a Twitter thread Friday, explaining that the loss of traffic had “real effects” on the organization. Mother Jones saw a roughly $400,000 drop in the site’s annual revenue, and couldn’t fill positions or pursue certain projects as a result, she said.


    “[O]ne reason this is so enraging is that I’ve so long insisted on giving Facebook some benefit of the doubt,” Bauerlein wrote. “I was convinced we were a random casualty of their broader trajectory, a fly on their windshield. But it’s always, always worse.”

    Facebook’s been caught coddling right-leaning outlets and pages several times in the company’s bid to appear unbiased, lest it set off the frothing conservative mob out for its head over baseless claims of anti-conservative censorship.

    In August, a Buzzfeed exposé detailed how one Facebook employee was allegedly fired after collecting evidence of the company giving preferential treatment to right-wing pages. Internal company documents leaked to NBC also showed that Facebook relaxed its fact-checking standards for conservative news outlets and personalities, including Breitbart and former Fox News stooges Diamond and Silk, so that they wouldn’t be penalized for spreading misinformation.

    And so Facebook continues to miss the bar when it comes to content moderation on its platform, stymieing coverage from legitimate outlets while simultaneously failing to keep dangerous conspiracy theories and misinformation from running amok. Who’d have thought it was possible to fail this badly, huh?

    https://gizmodo.com/with-zucks-blessing-facebook-quietly-stymied-traffic-t-1845403484


  • Registered Users Posts: 141 ✭✭Luxxis


    Again with the videos. What is it with you people that you can't articulate an opinion and then expect others to watch some video by some guy with a youtube account?


    If this was explained well by this youtuber, surely you can put it into words.

    I'm too lazy to type.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,199 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    When you make it law it's an infringement, Atlas said they do not work, so have plenty of others. Biden will hoover up the pandemic hardline vote as they literally think the other side are crazy and going to kill everyone.

    what Atlas said was:

    Masks work? NO: LA, Miami, Hawaii, Alabama, France, Phlippnes, UK, Ireland, Spain, Israel. WHO:"widesprd use not supported" + many harms; Heneghan/Oxf CEBM:"despite decades, considerble uncertainty re value"; CDC rvw May:"no sig red'n in inflnz transm'n"; learn why https://t.co/1hRFHsxe59

    Atlas the radiologist? Ha sure. I'd rather listen to the CDC who actually specialise in infectious diseases and also don't have an agenda.


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  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Will Trump take California?

    What do you think?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭km991148


    There are and that's often the points they make when they get demonetized, as it makes no sense given what is up on YouTube. Ted Cruz often calls them on it:

    https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1136634378044551169


    Another way YouTube have a bias is in search results. There are a ton of completion videos, for example, of AOC showing how she always says dumb things but if you type AOC into YouTube, you'll struggle to find any and instead what shows up are almost all positive for the first 100 results or more.

    The first point tho.. That's purely down to algos and user interaction. There is no conspiracy, especially one that removes the circulation of money from the platform.

    The AOC comment.. depends purely on where you are searching from, your recent searches (have you clicked a bunch of Oro AOC links from sites like here for example?).

    You are not able to tell if YouTube is biased they way you think it is because you are part of the system. It's too big and too much based on your interactions (or those on your same network perhaps). That's of course if you can step outside your own bias (that we all subconsciously have)


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,042 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Atlas the radiologist? Ha sure. I'd rather listen to the CDC who actually specialise in infectious diseases and also don't have an agenda.

    He referenced Professor Carl Heneghan he's advised our government of the facts when it came to the science.
    There is no evidence to suggest mandating them for the general public is a good idea. https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    km991148 wrote: »
    The first point tho.. That's purely down to algos and user interaction. There is no conspiracy, especially one that removes the circulation of money from the platform.

    The AOC comment.. depends purely on where you are searching from, your recent searches (have you clicked a bunch of Oro AOC links from sites like here for example?).

    You are not able to tell if YouTube is biased they way you think it is because you are part of the system. It's too big and too much based on your interactions (or those on your same network perhaps). That's of course if you can step outside your own bias (that we all subconsciously have)

    All of what you said make it worse so as it is over 212 results before a negative clip shows up for me and given I don't tend to view that vast vast majority those channels, why show them to me?

    Downranking content is a huge issue with YouTube and Google. Here's a Whistleblower from last year on it:

    https://www.projectveritas.com/news/google-machine-learning-fairness-whistleblower-goes-public-says-burden-lifted-off-of-my-soul/


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "A whistleblower"

    /Project Veritas

    lol


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭deceit


    Overheal wrote: »
    "A whistleblower"

    /Project Veritas

    lol
    Whats the issue with Project Veritas?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Great argument, as ever, Overheal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    deceit wrote: »
    Whats the issue with Project Veritas?

    Loads.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

    https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Project_Veritas
    Great argument, as ever, Overheal.

    Your tactic earlier was to veer off topic to attack me personally so what high horse have you supposed you are on exactly?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114974542&postcount=5277

    You have zero headroom to snipe at anyone about ****ty counter arguments Pete.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭The Floyd p


    Overheal wrote: »
    "A whistleblower"

    /Project Veritas

    lol

    Just to provide a little context for the man involved.

    In April, an-ex Google employee turned QAnon fan and committed anti-vaxxer named Zach Vorhies was both publicly and privately crafting a plan to get Plandemic to the widest possible audience.

    Separate issue, but if you're that untrustworthy about a topic of worldwide importance, can you be trusted with telling the truth at all?


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    There have been shedloads of hearings on the hill about this too. Like every couple months Zuck and co are dragged up to there on a zoom call or whatever to explain under oath, again, how they aren't a cabal of lizard people.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,489 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    deceit wrote: »
    Whats the issue with Project Veritas?

    From Wikipedia
    Project Veritas is an American right-wing activist group founded by James O'Keefe in 2010. The group uses undercover techniques to reveal supposed liberal bias and corruption and is known for producing deceptively edited videos about media organizations and left-leaning groups In a 2018 book on propaganda and disinformation in U.S. politics, three Harvard University scholars refer to Project Veritas as a "right-wing disinformation outfit".

    Founded by this guy.
    On March 16, 2016, O'Keefe attempted to call Open Society Foundations under the assumed name of "Victor Kesh", describing himself as attached to "a, uh, foundation" [sic] seeking to "get involved with you and aid what you do in fighting for, um, European values." [sic] O'Keefe forgot to hang up after recording the voicemail, and several more minutes of audio were recorded, revealing that he was attached to Discover the Networks and planning a series of attempts to create embarrassing videos or other recordings of targeted groups

    Bob Woodward or Carl Bernstein he ain't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭The Floyd p


    Project Veritas, everyone!

    The claim: Project Veritas discovered a voter fraud scheme connected to Rep. Ilhan Omar in Minneapolis.

    No link between Rep. Ilhan Omar, alleged fraud
    Apart from the word of Jamal and video footage of one other unnamed source, whose claims are unsubstantiated, there is no link between Rep. Ilhan Omar and the allegations. alleged fraud.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭deceit


    Overheal wrote: »

    I had a look at source watch and read the first two examples and glanced at the others.
    The first, maybe I'm being dumb but what are they doing wrong with this, I went onto their youtube just now and had a look at it and it looks very incriminating I could be missing something as I only glanced at it? What did they do wrong?
    Also is the open society that they mention further down the ones involved with the Spiegel news paper in Germany and altering footage to try make it out that Austrian Government officials where doing illegal activities?
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/08/biggest-scandal-europe-since-ww-ii-ibizagate-soros-journalists-brought-austrian-government/


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    From Wikipedia

    Founded by this guy..

    lol @ you pointing to leftie sites.

    O'Keefe has a wall of shame for those guys given the amount of times they have had to retact things they have said about him:


    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1237126755141509122


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Is that the convicted criminal James O'Keefe?


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,133 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Is that the convicted criminal James O'Keefe?

    It is, and if I have this right, he personally curates a memorial wall of people he admires for making sure they at all times report the most accurate set of facts. He could learn a lot, but he appears to have a much more narcissistic perspective on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,489 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    lol @ you pointing to leftie sites.

    Since when is Wikipedia a 'leftie' site?

    Do any republicans who try to add or edit content experience a sudden clarity of thought and compassion for other people when they log in?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Any chance of a third canidate this time around?Wasn't there one before?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    It is, and if I have this right, he personally curates a memorial wall of people he admires for making sure they at all times report the most accurate set of facts. He could learn a lot, but he appears to have a much more narcissistic perspective on it.
    Here's noted lefties The American Conservative and National Review ripping into O'Keefe and Project Veritas;


    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/wapo-badly-burns-james-okeefe/
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/james-okeefe-helps-washington-post/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,489 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    speckle wrote: »
    Any chance of a third canidate this time around?Wasn't there one before?

    Take your pick
    As of October 12, 2020, 1,218 candidates have filed with the Federal Election Commission (FEC) to run for president.[1] This page lists the names of every candidate who has registered with the FEC and their party affiliation.


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