Nvidia RTX Discussion

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

You must be one of the only ones. Reddit is full of people complaining about their scummy tactics.

I myself went to pre-order one with them but had my revolut card frozen just to see, and they tried to take the full amount. Even tho it could be months before they deliver.

I'd rather they take the money honestly. Stop me from spending it in the mean time. I'm sure the money will be taken in the next day or two. Wish they'd hurry up and ship the case I ordered 10 days ago though

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

I never would have though there were this many sharks in the water willing to spend 700 quid on a gfx card.

Given it's a lower price point than the previous gen, a massive leap in power over the previous gen, and there's still people out there (like me) with a 900 seires or 10 series card looking to upgrade... it kinda makes sense, doesn't it?

MiskyBoyy wrote: »

I'd be afraid they'd take the money, without having a card to ship for a long time.

Going by their forum, that's exactly what they are doing.

It makes more sense to take the money right away and figure it out afterwards.

I'll go a slight step further and say it's good they increased the prices a bit aswell. They have a massive amount of orders over MRSP, this will give the retailer stronger purchasing power and compete against other retailers and still provide decent profits. Since now they know they have orders secured already. If they don't get units quick, more and more cancel and will wait for AMD launch for more competition.

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Hyzepher wrote: »

With those recent 3090 leaked benchmarks its hard to see how any card released between the 3080 and 3090 could be worth it, for gaming. The prospect of 8k gaming is at least another generation away so I can't see how that's a thing.

People might prefer a 20G 3080 for some type of furture proofing but that's probably going to come in around the €1200 mark - especially AIB models, and I'm not really sure 20G is going to make any difference.

Totally agree. I don't see any real advantage to having more vram, especially 20GB, unless your workload requires it. Gaming simply won't need that much, even at 4K. VRAM speed is far more important for performance overall.

Pricing on the 3090 is simply horrible. It's really aimed at those that absolutely need the VRAM and can't go lower. A 3080 with 20GB will most likely be priced over €1000, offer not performance increase over the 3080 10GB. The no idea that is future proofing makes no sense to me. Developers won't suddenly start pushing more VRAM usage as they still have to aim at the middle. Designing a game and levels around higher VRAM would ruin the game on the majority of gamers setups. Console's might be a concern since they have 16GB, but OS and other factors are in play there, so not all is available to the developer.

Ultimately, I feel more than comfortable with a 10GB card, and I think Nvidia have ruined hype for any 3080Ti/super, since it will again fall in the middle of a 10-percent jump.

What wrecks my head with Nvidia is their blatant anti-consumer allocation of vram based purely on their status as market leader, knowing that the inevitable upgrade will likely lead to another Nvidia purchase.

They could easily, so easily, allocate the cards better vram, but clearly their long-term strategy was beat down AMD - which they largely did - and then go into cruise control, artificially limiting GPU longevity to secure future purchases.

I wish :rolleyes:

BloodBath wrote: »

It's rumored the ti or super versions will be switching over to TSMC's 7nm process so there may well be room for more performance than the 3090.

It's possible, but more performance for a TI over the more expensive 3090. We would be looking at least a year a way.

TheChrisD wrote: »

Given it's a lower price point than the previous gen, a massive leap in power over the previous gen, and there's still people out there (like me) with a 900 seires or 10 series card looking to upgrade... it kinda makes sense, doesn't it?

Its a bit like talking to a person in a bad relationship, where the bad stuff is ok because the partner is really nice sometimes.

Nvidia has been inflating prices for a few generations now. This is the first time in 5 or 6 years that a new generation simply didn't come in at a higher price point. And even then, its over priced. This is the mid end card, the 3090 is the "high end" part.

First time in a long time that they will probably have some competition too.

I get that people like the idea of affordable cards again but the sheer panic around getting one right now is nuts.

errlloyd wrote: »

I find the "rebenchmarking" of premium card pricing really interesting. I have only rekindled my interest in Pc Gaming during Lockdown. But I wonder if any of you have any observations about how that has changed over the past 15 years or so?

It seems that a premium card would have been €250e at launch in 2005. Nvidia monopoly and an aging cohort of gamers with more money seems to have inflated that hugely. But the other aspects of a gaming build would have been more costly - for example Processors, MBoards and Ram have come down in price or stayed the same because they are also used by non gamers?

Is that perception correct?

Sort of. Volumes do make a difference and dedicated graphics sell nowhere near as much as the CPU's or dram modules do.

Graphics cards have been increasing in size, they are throwing more transistors at the problem every generation. Larger chips = more cost to manufacture.

They are bleeding edge for certain components, like ram. Increases cost.

They suck up power. Systems in general have been decreasing in power usage for a good while, meanwhile graphics cards float around 250-300 watts at the high end usually. Power usage = power stages + component's and more cost.

So I would expect some price creep. But its well known they Nvidias top end is pure profit at this stage(and the balance sheets show it). So the price creep has really been a lack of competition.

My 3080 from overclockers arrived today. Hopefully everyone elses ships soon.

I went and cancelled my Ventus order with scan also, impressions place it right at the bottom of all AIBs so happy to wait for a while tbh.

Similar to above there's not a lot I'm playing right now that requires this kind of power. I mainly just want something that can rock Cyberpunk, which might be difficult to get before launch but would rather have peace of mind than a substandard AIB.