Graham Linehan given police warning for "transphobia"

harry Bailey esq · 09-10-2018 2:47am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/tv-news/police-speak-to-father-ted-cocreator-after-twitter-transphobia-row-37393122.html

Seems a bit ridiculous?

I opened this thinking it was Graham Norton. That woulda been a scoop

AndrewJRenko · 11-10-2018 9:47pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

Because I'm cautious about unfettered immigation to Europe and pre-op transwomen demanding to use women only spaces I've been branded an Islamophobe and a transphobe by some. Sad.

What difference does the op make to the safety (or otherwise) of someone using a women-only space?

Calhoun · 12-10-2018 4:13pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

I'm a gay man with socially liberal views and a general centre-left political viewpoint but Im getting sick of the way additional letters are being added to the LGBT category that it is becoming meaningless. Also stupid terms like "cis", non-binary, TERF and other such rubbish...left wing ideology is eating itself.

Because I'm cautious about unfettered immigation to Europe and pre-op transwomen demanding to use women only spaces I've been branded an Islamophobe and a transphobe by some. Sad.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/transgender-prisoner-who-sexually-assaulted-inmates-jailed-for-life

It's only one case I know but with all the threats of rape against terfs ect and stuff like the above you can see why folk have concerns .

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 1:40pm

SeanW wrote: »

God there's a whole new language to learn. Deadnaming. Trigger warnings. "Privilege". Intersectionality. Manspreading. Mansplaining. "Woke". Millions of new gender pronouns.

Does anyone speak English anymore? :mad:

Ah yes, the "purity" of the English language. A certain James Nicholl quote springs to mind.

Language changes. You may or may not like any given change, but being loudly offended at other people's supposed over-sensitivity on that basis alone risks looking pretty silly.

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 1:48pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I really don't know what the issue is in Ireland. If you want to change your gender you can without any medical evidence or other backup. Off you go.

There hasn't been a problem with this here, and that is good. Not good to make it into an issue that really should not have so much traction. It is surely a private issue for the trans person.

You'd think. But there's a weird, unholy alliance of people outraged otherwise. There's the second-wave feminists; there's the reader of the Femail supplement; there's the "it's political correctness gone mad!" element.

But it seems to be a big issue over there in Brexitland. We are so much better at these things here it seems.

We're much better at that one pretty recently, mind: Ireland went from no recognition at all of changes of legal gender to basically self-cert. The UK has had elaborately-gatekept recognition for a while, and there's a certain amount of pushback on switching to the (brand new!) Irish model, as above.

MikeyTaylor · 14-10-2018 2:07pm

So who is in the wrong? Seems to be fault on both sides.

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 2:11pm

MikeyTaylor wrote: »

So who is in the wrong? Seems to be fault on both sides.

I think both, yes.

The headline was fairly dramatic, but by my reading of the actual story here, to be a little fair to the police here...

We'd two people, each complaining of the other "harassing" them, using hate speech against them, and so on. Da cops have... told them (or one of them at least, wasn't clear what they'd told the other party) to... not contact the other person, that they feel harassed by, and that they accuse of harassing them.

I think that's maybe in "no sh!t, Sherlock" territory.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 14-10-2018 2:15pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

You'd think. But there's a weird, unholy alliance of people outraged otherwise. There's the second-wave feminists; there's the reader of the Femail supplement; there's the "it's political correctness gone mad!" element.

We're much better at that one pretty recently, mind: Ireland went from no recognition at all of changes of legal gender to basically self-cert. The UK has had elaborately-gatekept recognition for a while, and there's a certain amount of pushback on switching to the (brand new!) Irish model, as above.

I would say that the cost of self identification hasn’t really been identified yet. It is interesting how little debate, in Parliament or in public, in newspapers or on TV the whole thing generated.

Maybe we got sick of divisive cultural divisions over the last generation.

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 2:35pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I would say that the cost of self identification hasn’t really been identified yet. It is interesting how little debate, in Parliament or in public, in newspapers or on TV the whole thing generated.

Maybe we got sick of divisive cultural divisions over the last generation.

Or had too many other ones to be worrying about at the time!

TBF, I share your surprise. As I understand it, the Bill was originally going to be very much on the UK model. Get a battery of docs to tell the state what your gender is, after said docs decide what sort of societal, hormonal or surgical interventions were appropriate, the whole thing taking some significant time. Then late on, it changed entirely to the self-cert model.

Perhaps it's no surprise there's not a loud objection from the "TERF" POV -- Ireland's still pretty much at the "too early to say" stage when it comes to '60s feminism. Doubtless Iona, etc, had other "moral issues" to be policing the nation on that they felt were more appropriate.

For the FG perspective, I'm sure this model has many attractions. It's seen to be the socially liberal thing to do -- leapfrogging the UK, indeed! But it also neatly sidesteps the whole awkward "provision of services" business. You filled in your form, you got your cert -- now go away while we make a half-hearted attempted to deal with the hospital trolley crisis.

ceadaoin. · 14-10-2018 4:25pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Or had too many other ones to be worrying about at the time!

TBF, I share your surprise. As I understand it, the Bill was originally going to be very much on the UK model. Get a battery of docs to tell the state what your gender is, after said docs decide what sort of societal, hormonal or surgical interventions were appropriate, the whole thing taking some significant time. Then late on, it changed entirely to the self-cert model.

Perhaps it's no surprise there's not a loud objection from the "TERF" POV -- Ireland's still pretty much at the "too early to say" stage when it comes to '60s feminism. Doubtless Iona, etc, had other "moral issues" to be policing the nation on that they felt were more appropriate.

For the FG perspective, I'm sure this model has many attractions. It's seen to be the socially liberal thing to do -- leapfrogging the UK, indeed! But it also neatly sidesteps the whole awkward "provision of services" business. You filled in your form, you got your cert -- now go away while we make a half-hearted attempted to deal with the hospital trolley crisis.

As far as I know, the Irish bill has exemptions where services can be provided based on sex. These are prisons, hospitals, a female who identifies as male can't become a priest etc

The only exemption proposed in the UK is that females can't identify as male to inherit titles or land through primogeniture. So I guess sex only matters when it comes to females possibly getting something over males.

suicide_circus · 14-10-2018 4:59pm

when you go in for a medical check up, do you get a cervical or a prostate exam? can men have cervical smears? can women have their prostate checked?

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 5:09pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

when you go in for a medical check up, do you get a cervical or a prostate exam? can men have cervical smears? can women have their prostate checked?

What about people that have had any of the above surgically removed? (For example, due to cancer treatment.) Or have an intersex condition?

Is your plan to seize someone's full medical records before you consider their request as to their preferred pronouns?

suicide_circus · 14-10-2018 5:10pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

What about people that have had any of the above surgically removed? (For example, due to cancer treatment.) Or have an intersex condition?

Is your plan to seize someone's full medical records before you consider their request as to their preferred pronouns?

What? I use preferred pronouns and I do not to my knowledge have the authority to seize anyone's medical records.

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 5:12pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

What? I use preferred pronouns and I do not to my knowledge have the authority to seize anyone's medical records.

Grand, so. So why is your initial question material to this discussion of GL and his charming demeanour on twitter?

suicide_circus · 14-10-2018 5:16pm

alaimacerc wrote: »

Grand, so. So why is your initial question material to this discussion of GL and his charming demeanour on twitter?

just musing on the general subject matter. so sorry to have triggered.

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 9:13pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

just musing on the general subject matter. so sorry to have triggered.

Ah, so here to talk in lazy clichés, not to meaningfully discuss anything. Grand, it's good to know early on.

suicide_circus · 14-10-2018 10:07pm

you must be new here

alaimacerc · 14-10-2018 10:43pm

Well, there's AH levels of "meaningful", and then there's "OMG triggered" levels of discourse.

branie2 · 14-10-2018 11:49pm

Muscles Schultz wrote: »

I hear you’re a transphobiaist now Father

Transgender people, a great bunch of lads!

Franz Von Peppercorn · 10-02-2019 3:35pm

I see Stephanie has got the local police force to arrest another person for tweeting her dead name.

It’s reported in the daily mail but to not make the paper that reported it the issue I’ll link instead to the mumsnet discussion on it.

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3504035-Sky-News-just-featured-story-appearing-in-tomorrows-Sunday-Mail

Robert Wolfe · 10-02-2019 3:40pm

How can you justify arresting someone for using the wrong name?

You can change your name by deed poll but I'm under no obligation to address you by your new name.

Britain is like a sick joke at this stage.

freshpopcorn · 10-02-2019 3:52pm

I say they are police men/women out there and they probably want to make a difference and they can't believe they've to deal with this stuff.

Robert Wolfe · 10-02-2019 3:57pm

AllForIt wrote: »

The more I try to understand transexual issue...the more confused I get.

What's to understand? Just a bunch of crazy lads in drag thinking they're girls.

AndrewJRenko · 10-02-2019 3:57pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I see Stephanie has got the local police force to arrest another person for tweeting her dead name.

Was that actually the reason for the arrest, or was there something more to it?

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

It’s reported in the daily mail but to not make tge paper that reported it the issue I’ll link instead to the mumsnet discussion on it.

Out of the frying pan...

FTA69 · 10-02-2019 4:03pm

Absolutely sick of this nonsense debate. Load of headers on all sides of it.

Outlaw Pete · 10-02-2019 4:10pm

That was months ago she got arrested.

I read a bunch of her tweets at the time and she was on about misogyny and safe spaces for women the rest of the time she wasn't moaning about this issue.

Seems to me it's yet another case of the left eating itself.

Here's some of the tweets that got her arrested:

https://twitter.com/BustedWench/status/1016990292220764162

https://twitter.com/BustedWench/status/1032662764165189639

https://twitter.com/BustedWench/status/974680058710450177

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-02-2019 4:15pm

How ****in' hard is it too get someone's name right?

How often do you hear someone insisting on refering to Tom Cruise as as Thomas Mapother the Fourth just because it's his 'real' name?

smilerf · 10-02-2019 4:15pm

All this trans stuff is a load of ****
At the end of the day they are blokes playing dress up

Franz Von Peppercorn · 10-02-2019 4:25pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Was that actually the reason for the arrest, or was there something more to it?

Yes. That alone. As reported.

Out of the frying pan...

It interesting how many woke males are opposing the mumsnet feminist position.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 10-02-2019 4:27pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Absolutely sick of this nonsense debate. Load of headers on all sides of it.

Convenient for the ruling classes that these kind of things are the political debate, alright.

Graham Linehan given police warning for "transphobia"

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