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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    smacl wrote: »
    An RFID implant isn't slyly injected with a vaccine though is it? It is also not achieving anything you couldn't do with bio-metrics, albeit at a lower cost. My phone for example can recognise me via facial recognition and/or fingerprint. My genes can be sequenced as a method of uniquely identifying me to a far higher degree of accuracy and robustness than RFID could mange.

    The issue isn't being uniquely identifiable by a sophisticated computer as that is already the case for all of us without the need for any implant. The issue is about storing databases that identify and track people and their behavior illegally and this issue is dealt with by society rather than technology, e.g. through GDPR.

    It certainly could be, at or as an additional few seconds task at that time.
    Again it's nothing sophisticated, nothing large, nor powered (in the traditional computing sense).

    The largest program calls for 'persistant, birth-to-death digital ID', which implies placement at time of birth.

    This is a new 'type' of biometrics, along with a blockchain UID (unique code/serial), it can also contain a basic data string of any/all older more unreliable biometrics.
    But this is secondary.

    The digital signature, readable from 30meters(+) is the primary identifier.
    As it's organically embedded, perhaps it can also pull data from it's environment also (genes/dna/biorthytms etc).

    Your phone can also be very easily hacked, re-using your fingerprint retreived from a glass, or scale photo print.
    It can also be lost, or removed in the blink of an eye or simply run out of juice at a crucial time.

    Even the very latest FRS (street facial cameras) can be easily overloaded and/or rendered useless.
    Gait algorithms can be tricked, and fingerprints denied. Sunglasses worn and voices distorted.

    Including a RFID, verified by cloud & blockchain per each read, and those flawed older biometrics suddenly become more useful as additional 2nd rate verfications.

    Yes it can be rolled out, simply by showing it's 'usefulness', or for harder persuasion, there may be in future denial of services without it.

    3,000 folks in Sweden choose to pay for it themselves as a 'convience'.
    Millions already place active audio network recording devices in their homes as 'convience'.
    And the US company's employees opt-in for it in their hands, perhaps to be seen as 'good emplyees' and open to promotions.
    None were forced, it was a 'convience'.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Nearly all forms of ID, including RFID, can be forged or spoofed though once you use them in combination this becomes more difficult. The point is, this isn't a problem of technology so much as how we choose to apply it as a society. Specifically who can access information that identifies us as being at a given location at a given time, and what actions cause us to waive our right to be anonymous? It is an interesting topic for sure but not one that I think has any relevance to the Christianity forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    smacl wrote: »
    Nearly all forms of ID, including RFID, can be forged or spoofed though once you use them in combination this becomes more difficult. The point is, this isn't a problem of technology so much as how we choose to apply it as a society. Specifically who can access information that identifies us as being at a given location at a given time, and what actions cause us to waive our right to be anonymous? It is an interesting topic for sure but not one that I think has any relevance to the Christianity forum.
    In which case, maybe you could ask any printers of the big book to completely erase this section (and all assosicate bits) on the next re-print:
    Revelation 13:16
    And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.…

    Fictional or not (not important), as it bears a remarkable, strong resemblance to the (existing, and proposed) technology, that allows 3,500 people in Sweden (and many corporates in the US) to buy their coffee and lunch with a wave of their RFID embedded right hand, and/or secondary biometric validation using forehead scan (Iris scan).

    You could say it's far, far more realistic than e.g. the book of Genesis (or others), which claims full creation (without proof of concept), within a bunch of days, and bypasses the small matter of the dinosaurs and natural geology.

    Proposals are for validation to use the latest blockchain technology, if you think that's easily 'spoofed', 'forged', maybe knock out an aul fake BTC (coin) farm, with a spare i7 Dell tower, for some real easy and quick monies.

    As Joseph Goebbels used to say "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear".


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭harrylittle


    another video updating where we are currently with the mark of the beast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9eCu-YHmao


  • Registered Users Posts: 18 Indian82


    Ferajacka wrote: »
    I personally cannot wait for the chip to be introduced, it'll make it easier to travel, pay for things and track all medical and revenue records.Now if this is the mark of the beast as "predicted" 2000 years ago I find this facinating that people of that time could have insight into such technologies that might come in, years later.

    I am not looking forward to the chip. End times aside, it also makes it easier for the state/govt to track EVERYTHING about us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    Small update on the concept of chips, nanobots 'nonsense' etc, as some sort of tracking (processing) technology insertion.
    None of this will no longer be required (nor any other type of processing or radio frequency emitting inserts).

    Although it's been around for over 5yrs, only heard of it last month: (Quantum Dot Tattoo).
    This is a game changer, superseeding RFID etc.
    It's in essence, a simple small tattoo, but can also function as a unique digital identifier.
    Is also perfect for scanning (like a bar code, from distance), and has further enhancement potential.

    Yes, USPatents already exist for it (no need to ask who's behind it), along side another similar enhancement patent (again take a guess), for the body to actually self-process blockchain payments (buy and sell more securely).

    So regardless of whatever is in the Bible (even if that is pure coincidence), there now is the viability to use this new technology (QDT) as a primary DigitalID (identifier).

    It's also perfectly suitable (as subtle vaccine combination) for the 7bn (v1) doses of the wuflu vaccine to be rolled out with the next year or so.
    It will be billed as a simple 'immunity certificate' (more reliable than messing out with smart phone bluetooth) but has greater end use potential, than just this 'certification'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    jmreire wrote: »
    If you believe in God, then it's possible, so it very much depends on the individual. Personally, I want nothing to do with imbedded chips, We are controlled enough as it is without our every move and action being monitored.. and what will happen when they will not only monitor what you are thinking, but can control that too????

    What's the difference between a chip embedded in your hand and one embedded in your front pocket?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    What's the difference between a chip embedded in your hand and one embedded in your front pocket?
    As shown in the recent BT smartphone 'tracking' experiment over on the IOW, less than 50% uptake, some dowloaded it twice, some were dual-location resident. And likely many that had the hardware capability, forgot to stick their smartphone in their front pocket, or have BT-enabled (battery drainer).

    In short, it's unreliable and non-persistant.

    Unlike the current best alternative (which btw, isn't even a proper 'chip embodiment') which is shown to be very, very persistant and very, very unique.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭harrylittle


    What's the difference between a chip embedded in your hand and one embedded in your front pocket?

    well for one when you don't want to be tracked you can leave your phone or devise at home. if its in your hand they can track your every movement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 308 ✭✭harrylittle


    a good video on how the covid 19 brings us another step closer to the mark of the beast [URL="http:////www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnk6BR5dSw"]http:////www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnk6BR5dSw[/URL]


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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,939 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    jmreire wrote: »
    The biblical definition of the Nr "666"

    According to the last book in the Bible, 666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea. (Revelation 13:​1, 17, 18) This beast is a symbol of the worldwide political system, which rules over “every tribe and people and tongue and nation.” (Revelation 13:7) The name 666 identifies the political system as a gross failure in God’s sight.

    So it may not mean Natural or Irrational Nrs in that sense. But as the above implies...anyone who does not have the mark of the beast either on his hand of his forehead.....will not be able to buy or sell of do any kind of transaction.. The Chinese are well on the way to having this ( but without the religious context ( actually... at the present moment in time, they are trying to obliterate ALL traces of religion....and not only amonst the Uighurs ( Muslims) but Christian communities too.) Google " Chinese Electronic Surveilence on it's Citizens" Makes for some very interesting ( and frightening) scenario's. This also fits in with the Biblical prophesy....." From the eternal sea he arises...with an army on either shore, turning Man against his brother, until man exists no more. "
    We live in interesting times.....

    If the Bible states that '666 is the number, or name, of the wild beast with seven heads and ten horns that comes out of the sea' why do you then go on to say it is a symbol of something? If the Bible says it is so, how can you then adjust it to being a symbol? The Bible makes definitive statements about God and Jesus and angels, are they also symbols? Of what? How do you decide which bits of the Bible are symbolic and which are fact?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    looksee wrote: »
    Of what? How do you decide which bits of the Bible are symbolic and which are fact?

    The bits that don't directly support your narrative, or are easily contradicted, are symbolic, the rest is apparently fact :P

    As we've seen with Trump recently, the bible is frequently and unscrupulously used as a prop by many to support their own agenda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    This is most likely a bit of humour/jest/banter from the Gates/Microsoft lads, for their future blockchain embodiment payments system.
    But could also be a random fluke. Anyhoe, here she is, and a jolly spiffing patent, is it not?

    WO2020060606
    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

    (blockchain embodiment payments system, uses bodily energy e.g. blood gloucouse etc, to pay for goods and services)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    This is most likely a bit of humour/jest/banter from the Gates/Microsoft lads, for their future blockchain embodiment payments system.
    But could also be a random fluke. Anyhoe, here she is, and a jolly spiffing patent, is it not?

    WO2020060606
    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2020060606

    (blockchain embodiment payments system, uses bodily energy e.g. blood gloucouse etc, to pay for goods and services)

    Firstly, I see no connection to Gates or Microsoft in your linked document. Secondly, this isn't a blockchain embodiment payments system, it is an alternative proof of work mechanism for cryptocurrency mining. So jolly spiffing and all that but factually incorrect on both counts. I'm also at a loss to see what any of this has to do with Christianity and would suggest re-posting it on either the Crypocurrency or Conspiracy theories forums.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    smacl wrote: »
    Firstly, I see no connection to Gates or Microsoft in your linked document. Secondly, this isn't a blockchain embodiment payments system, it is an alternative proof of work mechanism for cryptocurrency mining. So jolly spiffing and all that but factually incorrect on both counts. I'm also at a loss to see what any of this has to do with Christianity and would suggest re-posting it on either the Crypocurrency or Conspiracy theories forums.


    Hello? Welcome to reality.


    Application filed by Microsoft Technology Licensing, Llc. 2020-03-26. Publication of WO2020060606A1


    Is cryptocurrency mining and blockchain processing the same side a two faced coin, that of digital wallets.


    Also, isn't there the small matter in the bible of using (hand/head) i.e. embodiments for the buying of services and goods, or did you miss this part?


    Naturally, an in-body self secured digital wallet would be the ideal candidate for this. Two-stage verification along with e.g. Blockchain payment processing (much like bitcoin) would be totally secure and viable.


  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ Mira Uptight Hash


    Small update on the concept of chips, nanobots 'nonsense' etc, as some sort of tracking (processing) technology insertion.
    None of this will no longer be required (nor any other type of processing or radio frequency emitting inserts).

    Although it's been around for over 5yrs, only heard of it last month: (Quantum Dot Tattoo).
    This is a game changer, superseeding RFID etc.
    It's in essence, a simple small tattoo, but can also function as a unique digital identifier.
    Is also perfect for scanning (like a bar code, from distance), and has further enhancement potential.

    Yes, USPatents already exist for it (no need to ask who's behind it), along side another similar enhancement patent (again take a guess), for the body to actually self-process blockchain payments (buy and sell more securely).

    So regardless of whatever is in the Bible (even if that is pure coincidence), there now is the viability to use this new technology (QDT) as a primary DigitalID (identifier).

    It's also perfectly suitable (as subtle vaccine combination) for the 7bn (v1) doses of the wuflu vaccine to be rolled out with the next year or so.
    It will be billed as a simple 'immunity certificate' (more reliable than messing out with smart phone bluetooth) but has greater end use potential, than just this 'certification'.

    You missed the best bit! The enzyme used for the tattoo ink is called luciferus


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    You missed the best bit! The enzyme used for the tattoo ink is called luciferus
    Very good observation, and fully correct.

    The QDT may (in future) function as a passive antenna, as contains copper elements (condutive) along with polymers, the inks are also excitable (glow and fluorescent under both iRed and UV (for easier distance read/scanability).

    We can assume this 'luciferus' enzyme, along with the patent suffic of WO2020060606A1, is either

    a) Sour humour
    b) Fluke or random coincidence
    c) Something else symbolic indicative towards it's ultimate purpose.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I am absolutely amazed that people seem to think that this chip technology may be connected somehow with end of days or the beast?
    Crazy , batsxxt stuff here!

    If it was "the mark '' do you not think there would be something in the terms and conditions ,that would indicate you have to use it for evil? 🙄


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I am absolutely amazed that people seem to think that this chip technology
    Is not a 'chip technology.

    Do your own factual research on quantum dot tattoos, (simply data marks, that use micro needles to store data strings, and perhaps act as potential passive antennas).
    Not chips nor processors, ok?
    Goldengirl wrote: »
    may be connected somehow with end of days or the beast?
    Crazy , batsxxt stuff here!
    I know what you mean, we've only had a global pandemic, and biblical locust plague(s) across eastern Africa, stretching up to China. Will wait for the earthquakes in unusal places, and signs from the skies before any further judgement on this CT.
    Goldengirl wrote: »
    If it was "the mark '' do you not think there would be something in the terms and conditions ,that would indicate you have to use it for evil? ��
    Agree, and Mr Adolf might have just been 'misunderstood' in his desire to tattoo stamp his captive subjects, maybe he wanted to care for their welfare better, using a unique identifiers (subject:power/control) tools or apparatus.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    smacl wrote: »
    I think it is one for the human rights groups to come to terms with and build on. Rights to privacy and anonymity are still quite new ground, which is where this whole GDPR thing is rearing its head. Personally, I'm also of the opinion that sentient AI isn't that far off either which makes for a whole new ethical kettle of fish. Scary to some extent but also fascinating.

    Are cows sentient? Big Mac anyone?

    Who do you think are going to develop sentient AI? Corporations.

    Corporations give a toss about ethics? Ask your local, friendly most-adulterated-form-of-protein-there-is, cannibal chicken..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    Again, likely nothing, but follows on the same theme as:

    - QDT luciferus enzyme,
    - Patent suffix of WO2020060606A1

    We now have the:
    (US)Bill 'H.R. 6666' (but has spare six) 'The COVID-19 Testing, Reaching, And Contacting Everyone (TRACE) Act'
    Essentialy CDC offering grants (from budget $100billion, this year) to trace, monitor and/or quarantine suspected COVID19 infected individuals.

    Take your pick: a) Humour by using assigned values b) Fluke and/or random coincidence c) Something else symbolic.

    As far as AI (leading to sentient levels), or tech processing as someone mentioned.
    Many standard 4/8GB blocks of DDR3/4 RAM etc, are happy run defualt/max bandwidth of 666MHz, or 1332~ dual channel.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Moved from Christianity forum to Conspiracy Theories forum. For those continuing this discussion, please take a moment to read the local charter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    In the history of wrongness, has there ever been a topic but this that people have been more wrong on? The antichrist has supposedly been coming for the last 2,000 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,116 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Ipso wrote: »
    In the history of wrongness, has there ever been a topic but this that people have been more wrong on? The antichrist has supposedly been coming for the last 2,000 years.

    Hillary getting locked up?


  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    I have found it, the mark of the beast

    KtwTRHFG65DTil3N8XkYJ51KKH2Y9U5V3m5pVOPtUEAWXHxhUa3k9Y-kfpqyrLskDIXfyw=s85


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,116 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    IMHO, the next “mark of the beast” is GPS monitors for parolees; they will get rid of prisons for most offenders and just simply incriminate entire neighborhoods subversively. Then you consider the 13th amendment in the United States, and it’s exception for prison labor, and that already corporations directly profit off prison labor now.. imagine if this trend were to occur over a decade? And inmates cannot vote. And the DOJ will always know where every potential insurgent is, with the potential for surveillance add ins being extreme.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,943 ✭✭✭✭the purple tin


    da_miser wrote: »
    I have found it, the mark of the beast

    KtwTRHFG65DTil3N8XkYJ51KKH2Y9U5V3m5pVOPtUEAWXHxhUa3k9Y-kfpqyrLskDIXfyw=s85


    Megaman is the Anti-Christ :eek: Who knew?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Callie Billions Author


    Overheal wrote: »
    IMHO, the next “mark of the beast” is GPS monitors for parolees; they will get rid of prisons for most offenders and just simply incriminate entire neighborhoods subversively. Then you consider the 13th amendment in the United States, and it’s exception for prison labor, and that already corporations directly profit off prison labor now.. imagine if this trend were to occur over a decade? And inmates cannot vote. And the DOJ will always know where every potential insurgent is, with the potential for surveillance add ins being extreme.

    GPS monitors? This sound very, very, very, very old school. There's a whole world of latest tech wizardry out there which would laugh it's pants off hard at decade(s) old bulky, slow, limited, technology such as this.

    Besides prison labour, while on the increase via privatisation (US only, not even a global factor) is best kept confined where you can ring a bell at the end of lunch break to get them all back on the machine or assembly line at once, and their bunks means zero commute time.

    Besides if you were to look at the source of this 'MOTB' concept (the forum it was actually kicked out of... for some reason).

    The extract is fairly specific that a two-stage embodiment verification process is required, and involves service/product procurement, not labour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭da_miser


    Any government that tries to put a permanent mark on it citizens will be met with a vicious Christian revival, it would ignite a fire of Christianity that would engulf the entire western world, the Crusades would be back on the menu.
    Have you seen Archbishop Viganò’s letter to Trump?
    He all but in name , names (them)!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270842639903006720


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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,116 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Megaman is the Anti-Christ :eek: Who knew?

    Not man... but machine... still comes back to life and warps to the sky. Seems legit.


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