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RTÉ announce restructuring plans [MOD WARNING POST #5 PLEASE READ]

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  • #62
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Zird wrote: »
    Apparently the DAB network is still classed as a trial/testing service so outside the scope of requiring any government approval.

    The Radio stations on the other hand are not, they are all available via Saorview which is not a test service. RTÉ can not make variations to it sound broadcasting services without asking for permission from the Government.

    Also DAB would not come under this section of the Act according to RTÉ and the Department when you consider their understanding of the Act in relation to LW. I assume if RTÉ wanted to ditch FM they could without asking the government!

    Re: News Now, no they ended up not making the application to remove News Now.


  • #63
    Zird
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭Zird


    Closing aertel tho clearly needs legislation charged, one would think they must have been told that the government will agree to change the legislation for them in include closing aertel in the proposals.


  • #64
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭political analyst


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Unless RTE plan on moving the 9 News to 10, having sport on RTE 1 is going to be a regular mess.

    The best thing about RTE is it's news programmes.


    On that note, on the Saturday on which the Eurovision Song Contest Final took place this year (as it does every year, of course!), the main evening bulletin was dropped and News Now's overnight simulcast of Euronews commenced at the earlier than usual time of 10, presumably to compensate for the dropping of that bulletin.


    Going back to your main point, I can't imagine RTÉ 2 being shut down, to be honest, because it has been with us for too long!


  • #65
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 12,973 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    political analyst wrote: »
    On that note, on the Saturday on which the Eurovision Song Contest Final took place this year (as it does every year, of course!), the main evening bulletin was dropped and News Now's overnight simulcast of Euronews commenced at the earlier than usual time of 10, presumably to compensate for the dropping of that bulletin.


    Going back to your main point, I can't imagine RTÉ 2 being shut down, to be honest, because it has been with us for too long!

    Did they move the main news to RTE2 that night?


  • #66
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Of the two ideas RTÉ have come up with moving Sport from RTÉ2 and making it a "window" for RTÉ Player seems like the most cost nutral of all of their plans.

    However, neither have taken place. Why? Okay you could say that advertisers might have an issue with the move from RTÉ2 to ONE if they have already bought advertising on both channels. But surely at this stage RTÉ would have begun to make that move.

    For example when did they find out that they had the rights to the Irish New Zealand friendly? If it was at short notice it will always air on 2 in fear of advertisers being put out by changes to ONE's schedule.

    On the player front, no reason for RTÉ2 to now be that "window".

    These two are the least complicated of all the plan and yet no moves have taken places to introduce them before the end of the year.


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  • #67
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Elmo wrote: »
    For example when did they find out that they had the rights to the Irish New Zealand friendly?
    .

    They have the rights to all ROI friendlies taking place on a European Qualifiers match day - that’s part of the new central contracting arrangements. That deal was done August 2017.


  • #68
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭political analyst


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Did they move the main news to RTE2 that night?


    No. The only occasion when the main evening news was moved to 2 on the evening of the song contest final was the day on which the votes in the same-sex marriage referendum were being counted (though there was still an 'extended summary' on 1 after song contest final was over).


  • #69
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    political analyst wrote: »
    No. The only occasion when the main evening news was moved to 2 on the evening of the song contest final was the day on which the votes in the same-sex marriage referendum were being counted (though there was still an 'extended summary' on 1 after song contest final was over).

    RTÉ have cut back on news bulletins completely.

    RTÉ TV

    No morning News
    No News or Current Affairs on RTÉ2
    Late Night News on RTÉ ONE

    RTE Radio

    News removed from RTÉ2FM from 7pm


  • #70
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,299 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    There was a Daíl debate about RTÉ today. Bruton was saying that it will take some considerable time to get the new broadcasting charge up & running to get it into law.

    Was there anything else new being heard from the other TD's in that debate?


  • #71
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Elmo wrote: »
    RTÉ have cut back on news bulletins completely.

    RTÉ TV

    No morning News
    No News or Current Affairs on RTÉ2
    Late Night News on RTÉ ONE

    RTE Radio

    News removed from RTÉ2FM from 7pm


    I remember the short-lived 'Morning Edition'.



    Presumably, there are more listeners on 2FM during the daytime (e.g. commuters listening to car-radio or via smartphone) and, of course, there is the option of listening to the English-language summary at 12 and 4 on 2FM when the 'Nuacht' is being broadcast on Radio 1 - due to RTÉ's Irish Language Action Plan, I kid you not!



    Obviously, those viewers who have neither cable nor satellite TV can get news overnight by watching News Now for in-vision headlines and the Euronews simulcast or listening to bulletins on-the-hour on Radio 1.


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  • #72
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 12,973 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    RTE never seemed to bother with morning or day time tv. Their priority is radio - Morning Ireland is a massive ratings draw.


  • #73
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    political analyst wrote: »
    Obviously, those viewers who have neither cable nor satellite TV can get news overnight by watching News Now for in-vision headlines and the Euronews simulcast or listening to bulletins on-the-hour on Radio 1.
    RTE never seemed to bother with morning or day time tv. Their priority is radio - Morning Ireland is a massive ratings draw.

    Why do we defend RTÉ cuts in news programmes but if TV3/Virgin Media cut any of its news output, it would be an overtly commerical decision and the BAI should step in?

    First EuroNews is not RTÉ news, its broadcast across 3 channels in the morning hour, pointless.

    You have different Audiences for R1 and 2FM, its not a case that 2fm after 6pm is a purely music channel or that Sports bulletins have been axed from the station after 7pm, AFAIK sports bulletins continue until at least 10pm at night, according to RTÉ young people when listening to 2FM want music, but have 2 hours of sports chat after 6pm.

    Radio will not be effected by TV, advert rates of Radio are much lower than on TV, regardless of audiences, RTÉ Radio aren't charging the same rates for Morning Ireland as RTÉ TV does for TLLS.


  • #74
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why doesn't RTÉ cease its participation in the Eurovision Song Contest so that some money can be saved? To be honest, I don't think most viewers would miss it.


  • #75
    lertsnim
    Registered Users Posts: 9,715 ✭✭✭lertsnim


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why doesn't RTÉ cease its participation in the Eurovision Song Contest so that some money can be saved? To be honest, I don't think most viewers would miss it.

    What money would be saved? They will still be paying into the EBU.


  • #76
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Elmo wrote: »
    Why do we defend RTÉ cuts in news programmes but if TV3/Virgin Media cut any of its news output, it would be an overtly commerical decision and the BAI should step in?

    First EuroNews is not RTÉ news, its broadcast across 3 channels in the morning hour, pointless.
    You're taking my point out of context. I wasn't defending the absence of the late bulletin on the night of the Eurovision contest - my point was that there was still some compensation for it by starting the Euronews simulcast on News Now an hour early because Euronews provides greater coverage of international news than RTÉ does and, with regard to national news, viewers who don't have access to the Internet can listen to news bulletins on the hour overnight on Radio 1.



    By the way, News Now is the only Irish terrestrial channel on which Euronews is simulcast for an hour at 6 AM and another hour at 9 AM - the simulcasts on One and 2 take place overnight.
    Elmo wrote: »
    You have different Audiences for R1 and 2FM, its not a case that 2fm after 6pm is a purely music channel or that Sports bulletins have been axed from the station after 7pm, AFAIK sports bulletins continue until at least 10pm at night, according to RTÉ young people when listening to 2FM want music, but have 2 hours of sports chat after 6pm.

    Radio will not be effected by TV, advert rates of Radio are much lower than on TV, regardless of audiences, RTÉ Radio aren't charging the same rates for Morning Ireland as RTÉ TV does for TLLS.


    Well, RTÉ thought it would have been - because I remember reading at the time of the launch of 'Morning Edition' on RTÉ One that it was decided to have it on at 9 instead of 7 because of a fear that the 'Edition' would have 'cannibalised' Morning Ireland's listening figures.


  • #77
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    political analyst wrote: »
    Well, RTÉ thought it would have been - because I remember reading at the time of the launch of 'Morning Edition' on RTÉ One that it was decided to have it on at 9 instead of 7 because of a fear that the 'Edition' would have 'cannibalised' Morning Ireland's listening figures.

    I think the 9am start was due to union rules rather than competition for Morning Ireland.

    BBC Breckfast 1,500,000
    GMB 802,000

    BBC Radio 1 5,000,000
    BBC Radio 2 9,000,000
    BBC Radio 4 7,000,000
    BBC Radio 5 2,000,000

    Now in Ireland breakfast radio

    Morning Ireland 450,000
    Ian Dempsey 180,000
    2fm 180,000
    Newstalk 120,000

    On average Ireland AM has 50,000 viewers with 25% share or 200,000 people available for Breakfast TV.


  • #78
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,788 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    lertsnim wrote: »
    What money would be saved? They will still be paying into the EBU.
    They would save €500,000 if they backed out. They could still rebroadcast it for the normal fee.
    But it is now the Eastern European and Scandinavian song contest in all but name.


  • #79
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    They would save €500,000 if they backed out. They could still rebroadcast it for the normal fee.
    But it is now the Eastern European and Scandinavian song contest in all but name.

    TBH they could decide not to send a big entourage, Marty could present from Dublin.


  • #80
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 12,973 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    They would save €500,000 if they backed out. They could still rebroadcast it for the normal fee.
    But it is now the Eastern European and Scandinavian song contest in all but name.

    Portugal, Israel and the Netherlands won the last 3 years of the Eurovision, countries not in those areas you mention.

    Ireland has a rich history with the Eurovision and it is extremely popular, there is no chance of RTE ditching the event.


  • #81
    Bee Free
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭Bee Free


    With news today that RTE have backtraced ALREADY on selling the rte guide, I wonder what their next U-turn will be?


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  • #82
    Maysa07
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Maysa07


    Bee Free wrote: »
    With news today that RTE have backtraced ALREADY on selling the rte guide, I wonder what their next U-turn will be?

    Apparently they are reducing the pension contribution they pay into for staff.

    Not surprised on the u-turn. They don't want strike.


  • #83
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Let face it none of these plans seem to be going ahead.

    RTÉ still haven't moved Sports from RTÉ and they also haven't give a date as to when that is going to happen.

    RTÉ still have to contact the Minister for Communications in relation to their move to ax their digital radio services.

    Both things should have been done on the announcement of the "plan".


  • #84
    Varik
    Registered Users Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    The plan was to make as much noise as possible and hope for a handout, either upping the current license or changing it.


  • #85
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Varik wrote: »
    The plan was to make as much noise as possible and hope for a handout, either upping the current license or changing it.

    If that is the case it is crazy.


  • #86
    Bee Free
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14 ✭Bee Free


    The editor of the guide is celebrating on twitter that the sale has been cancelled.

    MOD EDIT: Personal attack on named person removed


  • #87
    political analyst
    Registered Users Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Elmo wrote: »
    Let face it none of these plans seem to be going ahead.

    RTÉ still haven't moved Sports from RTÉ and they also haven't give a date as to when that is going to happen.

    RTÉ still have to contact the Minister for Communications in relation to their move to ax their digital radio services.

    Both things should have been done on the announcement of the "plan".


    Of course RTÉ Two was never going to be stripped of sporting events coverage. Can you imagine the outcry if Six-One had been displaced to make way for sport?!


  • #88
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,793 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Did the plan work, if by that I mean, squeeze more money out of the government?
    https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-to-receive-extra-e10m-after-government-announces-public-service-broadcasting-commission-4925665-Dec2019/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #89
    [Deleted User]
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    political analyst wrote: »
    Of course RTÉ Two was never going to be stripped of sporting events coverage. Can you imagine the outcry if Six-One had been displaced to make way for sport?!

    I'm puzzled as to how this would work in practice anyway. RTE2 had the Liverpool Champions League match on Tuesday with a KO of 5.55pm as its first choice pick for Tuesday night CL coverage. I don't think the non-soccer fraternity would have been pleased with the news being shoved to, say, 8pm as a consequence if this was on RTE1. Also the moving of the Lyric FM studios has been delayed by RTE as per government request. I think I'm hearing the sounds of cans being kicked down the road by all involved parties here IMO as regards fundamental reform.


  • #90
    Jonny one
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭Jonny one


    All contractors from the digital radio stations are being let go at the end of this month.


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  • #91
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 32,951 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Jonny one wrote: »
    All contractors from the digital radio stations are being let go at the end of this month.

    A grand sounding soundbite, but how many people does this actually cover?


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