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Armstrong Cup 2018-19

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    #62
    Retd.LoyolaCpt
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    zeitnot wrote: »
    I thought Gonzaga 'B' was going to be "Loyola".

    We’d need to start back in division 6 for that. Also would have no subs :/

    Bray 4.5-3.5 Blanchardstown

    Assume the games involving Dublin and Benildus are postponed until after the ECC.


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    #63
    macelligott
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭macelligott


    With the exception of Division 4, the results are very slow to be published :-(


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    #64
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    macelligott wrote: »
    With the exception of Division 4, the results are very slow to be published :-(

    Agreed.I really don't see why they can't be published soon after the matches ending, if not by the league controller then by the captains.


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    #65
    Tim Harding
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Tim Harding


    Agreed; we wouldn't have to spend so much time here exchanging information if the LCU site was kept up to date.

    Is it true the Benildus and Dublin matches yesterday were completely postponed, or only some of the boards?


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    #66
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Tim Harding wrote: »
    Is it true the Benildus and Dublin matches yesterday were completely postponed, or only some of the boards?
    Benildus played all but one board, as far as I know. I haven't heard a result.


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    #67
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Is there another league anywhere in the world, in any sport, where results aren't known until days after the games are played?


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    #68
    prey
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭prey


    From Sean Coffey's site - Bray did win the Armstrong twice:
    http://www.irlchess.com/teamevents/armstrong-cup/

    Indeed. Bray also defended the title in 2001, finishing =1st.
    On the day the cup was quickly awarded to Crumlin on the basis of board count in the individual match, a 4-4 draw.
    It quickly became clear that no tiebreak was in force -the tiebreak used was taken from the promotion/relegation rule section and did not apply.
    It also soon became clear during an utterly shambolic appeal process that this was not going to be corrected.
    A subsequent AGM amended the tiebreak rule to apply to all league positions but did not address the 2001 anomaly.

    IMO the only correct decision in 2001 was to hold a playoff match and a review now should accept the 2001 Armstrong as a shared title.


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    #69
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    Is there another league anywhere in the world, in any sport, where results aren't known until days after the games are played?
    Yes.


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    #70
    zeitnot
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭zeitnot


    prey wrote: »
    From Sean Coffey's site - Bray did win the Armstrong twice:
    http://www.irlchess.com/teamevents/armstrong-cup/
    For most years the results there are simply taken from David McAlister's site: https://irishchesshistory.wordpress.com/provinces/armstrong-cup/ including 1999, 2000, and 2001. That site also gives full season totals.


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    #71
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    mikhail wrote: »
    Yes.
    Yes? Can you back that up or is this another offhand statement like the one you made about "numerous reasons" for the ICU and UCU merging when you couldn't even tell us one good reason?


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    #72
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    Yes? Can you back that up
    Yes.


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    #73
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    mikhail wrote: »
    Yes.

    (_x_)


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    #74
    Retd.LoyolaCpt
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    From the ICU results bar: Benildus 4-3 Balbriggan

    Current table as best I can see:

    Trinity 11/15
    Elm Mount 9.5/16
    Bray 9/15
    Blanch 8.5/16
    Benildus 7/15
    Balbriggan 6.5/15
    Rathmines 6/15
    Gonzaga B 5.5/8
    Gonzaga A 4/8
    Dublin 4/8
    Dun Laoghaire 3.5/16
    Kilkenny 2.5/7


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    #75
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Gonzaga "B" are 5.5/7 but hopefully that will change to 5.5/8 after tonight's battle of the MCs, (Mc Morrow and Mc Cabe)


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    #76
    Retd.LoyolaCpt
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    We're 1-0 down to the A team currently with most of those games due to played this week; hence 5.5/8 currently (5.5/7 from Rathmines and 0/1 from the A match)


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    #77
    Retd.LoyolaCpt
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Draw in the game tonight so 6-2 overall.


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    #78
    zeitnot
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭zeitnot


    Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »
    Draw in the game tonight so 6-2 overall.
    Thanks for the prompt update!

    Re the other reports, 75 years ago and more results were available in the paper the next day. It's surprising that the net result of all the changes since then has been that the wait has stretched to weeks.


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    #79
    macelligott
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭macelligott


    Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »
    We're 1-0 down to the A team currently with most of those games due to played this week; hence 5.5/8 currently (5.5/7 from Rathmines and 0/1 from the A match)

    “We’re 1-0 down etc.” lacks clarity :-(
    Please state team names and round number!
    Posts like “R2 Dun Laoghaire 2.5-5.5 Elm Mount “ are clear to everyone :-)


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    #80
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    macelligott wrote: »
    “We’re 1-0 down etc.” lacks clarity :-(
    Please state team names and round number!
    Posts like “R2 Dun Laoghaire 2.5-5.5 Elm Mount “ are clear to everyone :-)

    It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to work out that the "WE" mentioned must be the "B" team. Elementary my dear Watson!


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    #81
    macelligott
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭macelligott


    Still no updated Armstrong results :-(


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    #82
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    macelligott wrote: »
    Still no updated Armstrong results :-(

    I'm sure that they got the results quicker in 1888 when the Armstrong started.
    I really don't see why team captains can't be given the means to update the site themselves instead of this ridiculous delay.


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    #83
    Retd.LoyolaCpt
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    The Rathmines captain and I input our result on Monday and Tuesday this week so must be awaiting approval from an admin.

    Gonzaga B 0.5-2.5 Gonzaga A. One game tonight, 2 on Saturday, one next Wednesday. Not sure about the other game but should be within the next week.


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    #84
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »
    The Rathmines captain and I input our result on Monday and Tuesday this week so must be awaiting approval from an admin.

    Gonzaga B 0.5-2.5 Gonzaga A. One game tonight, 2 on Saturday, one next Wednesday. Not sure about the other game but should be within the next week.

    There is almost an entire second round that needs to be updated.There has got to be a better system for updating the Armstrong results than the LCU way.
    While we are talking about the LCU , whatever happened to the Branagan Cup last season, why wasn't it played?
    Of course there is always the possibility that maybe it was played and the results just haven't been updated yet.


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    #85
    Retd.LoyolaCpt
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Not ideal but for now - current standings (I think):
    Trinity 11/15
    Elm Mount 9.5/16
    Bray 9/15
    Blanch 8.5/16
    Benildus 7/15
    Gonzaga B 6.5/11
    Balbriggan 6.5/15
    Rathmines 6.5/15
    Gonzaga A 5.5/10
    Dublin 4/8
    Dun Laoghaire 3.5/16
    Kilkenny 2.5/7


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    #86
    sodacat11
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    Rathmines 6.6/16


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    #87
    Tim Harding
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Tim Harding


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    I'm sure that they got the results quicker in 1888 when the Armstrong started.
    I really don't see why team captains can't be given the means to update the site themselves instead of this ridiculous delay.

    Yes, in the early years results were promptly reported by Thomas Rowland in his column for the Dublin Evening Mail. Some of the games got published too.


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    #88
    sodacat11
    Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Tim Harding wrote: »
    Yes, in the early years results were promptly reported by Thomas Rowland in his column for the Dublin Evening Mail. Some of the games got published too.
    I'm sure you remember those days well although you must have been quite young at the time.;)


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    #89
    Retd.LoyolaCpt
    Registered Users Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Armstrong results updated now on the LCU site.

    Update: Gonzaga A 2.5-1.5 Gonzaga B


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    #90
    Tim Harding
    Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Tim Harding


    Retd.LoyolaCpt wrote: »
    Armstrong results updated now on the LCU site.

    Update: Gonzaga A 2.5-1.5 Gonzaga B

    Two games played this afternoon alongside the Sona Youth Cup, and the B team drew one of them, so now:
    R1 Gonzaga A 4 Gonzaga B 2, two to play.

    Gonzaga A unfortunately won the last two games to be played against Trinity so that round 2 match finished 4-4, which incidentally was also the score the last time Gonzaga didn't win the Armstrong.

    So, after two rounds, Trinity (on 11/16) will still be at least one point ahead of Gonzaga A with Elm Mount on 9.5 and Bray on 9 (1), apparently still not having played their first round top board game.

    As Kilkenny have nine (!) unreported results, it's hard to know how they stand. Were they playing Dublin Chess Club today?

    In order for rounds 1 and 2 to be reported for FIDE rating in time for the November list, any outstanding games really need to be played and officially reported by LCU to ICU by next weekend.


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    #91
    Joedryan
    Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭Joedryan


    Is there an up to date league table somewhere?


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