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German Shepard Breeders.

  • 18-05-2019 1:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭


    I would be very grateful if anyone has any information on very good reputable breeders for a GS puppy, especially if have used them already. I am looking to get a male puppy in the next month or so and I am currently puppy proofing my house and getting my yard etc sorted.

    I am in Meath but would not mind travelling at all for the right dog from the right breeder. So any advice as to what to look for when selecting a GSD pup and what to look for in the parents.

    Also, any GSD owners out there with any adivce on GSD in general aswell as puppies, it would be greatly appreciated as I want the best for the dog and hope it settles in very quickly.

    Thanx again.

    ;)


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Hi op,
    It kinda, sorta depends on what you want from your dog? Family pet? Guard dog? (it's almost impossible to get the two reliably in one dog, although even the gentlest of sheps will bark at strangers or unusual goings-on). Show dog? Working dog?
    Long coated? Short coated? (huge difference in coat maintenance)
    Dog to live in or out? They're a breed that tends to get turfed out to live long hours alone, but I've always found them to really, really crave proximity with their people and they really suffer if left outside.
    I have two working sheps. They both live inside the house. They are blissfully happy and content dogs :)


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 6,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 6,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Sorry,

    My brother has a working straight backed GSD. He got him from his father in law who happened to have two dogs they never bothered to neuter. He's a placid enough dog with people he knows but has been known to corner strangers in the yard if they wander in uninvited and refuses to let them pass him to leave again. He has also killed a sheep and a cat that wandered into his space. In all the above incidents they occurred while he was on a long chain in the late evening or during the night. He's great with the kids in his own house but I would not leave visiting kids to wander around the yard while he's there not that kids should be unsupervised around any dog but I'd be hesitant even with supervision. He is also undersocialised with other dogs and has pinned the neighbours dog to the ground once and has pulled one of my dogs legs out from under him twice when he was running across my garden.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    Ideally I want a companion not just for myself but for my family, if it deters other from entering my property then that's a plus!

    If possible I would want it outdoors at night time in a nice cozy kennel (unless the weather is really bad) in a secure back garden but interact with the family unit all day every day.

    I really dont think a dog should be sitting on the sofa all day watching TV with humans, they are alot happier out and about investigating the world!

    Not sure on the coats, I suppose a short haired would look better to me but please feel free to link me the difference on the two breeds for more research. Dog will not be a working dog just a family dog that will enjoy walks and swims etc.

    Its quite stressful trying to find the right breeder, have heard so many horror stories of GSD with terrbible blood lines that end up in chronic pain etc etc.
    So dont want to chose the wrong pup, also not sure if I want a male or female......the females look softer and are smaller but being in heat is a nightmate tbh. So a male GSD might be a better fit.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    Best off checking out the kennel club and http://gsaireland.com/ for breeders etc. I know you want a pup soon but to be honest most reputable breeders that are due pups will have already agreed to sell to clients. I think I was waiting near a year before I got my pup from a breeder I have used before.



    I cant stress this enough but when you do get a pup have it socialised as much as possible. Walks to the shops, passing traffic, crowded areas etc. My lad is 1.5 years old now and still acts like a pup from time to time.



    They chew everything and I mean everything. Remember my first gsd tore the mudguard off my bike..... My current lad has taken to chewing the drain pipe off out the back garden when food stuff is been drained. There is a reason they are called land sharks etc. Its all about puppy proofing the garden/house etc


    As for training the pup check out some trainers on youtube etc. This can be an emotive subject so dont be swayed by either side.


    Check out

    https://www.youtube.com/user/leerburg Michael ellis
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-qnqaajTk6bfs3UZuue6IQ
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoxuNKpmUs390K7x_rvgjcg
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6vdCX3-G6oDGajvQFreLLA
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-TFajjG5CMAmUrJG1ONtKQ




    Try and get to some of the dog shows that are on soon. This is where you will meet the experts and find out who is breeding and due pups etc.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭Choc Chip


    Hey OP, DBB is a wealth of info on GSDs. I don't know too much, but just to give my 2 cents on a couple of your comments:

    "If possible I would want it outdoors at night time in a nice cozy kennel (unless the weather is really bad) in a secure back garden but interact with the family unit all day every day."

    I do know working dogs that live happily outside, but they spend the day working with their people. If it's a family pet and you work, how much time will you realistically be able to spend with a dog if it sleeps outside? Also, my GSD-cross is far more of a burglar deterrent from inside the house than living outside in a kennel. ;)

    "I really dont think a dog should be sitting on the sofa all day watching TV with humans, they are alot happier out and about investigating the world!"

    My GSD-cross is obsessed with me. I normally work from home and she spends most of the day in the doorway of my office, even when the back door is open. She's not particularly cuddly but she spends 90% of her life in the same room as me, just keeping an eye on me from the corner. She would be absolutely gutted if she was sent outside 'investigating' and wasn't allowed to chill out and lie under the tv (with her head propped up so she can open her eyes and see me)! :D


    Richard Tea: That is an interesting range of dog trainers.... from Kiko to Michael Ellis?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    Just because they're indoor doesn't mean they've to lie on the furniture watching tv! Mine don't get up on the furniture. Neither are they particularly interested in investigating outside unless I'm with them. They just want to be in my vicinity, doing whatever I'm doing, or supervising whatever I'm doing :D
    Do not underestimate the loyalty and devotion of the GSD op... They really do suffer if left alone, and realistically, it's a very rare thing that a pet dog owner who keeps the dog outside, gives it enough attention every day of the year. As choc chip points out, working dogs that are kept outside generally enjoy human company for long hours during the day... They're working together. But pet dogs? Way too easy to let them drop down the list of priorities in the middle of winter, in the peeing rain, and the kids have to get their homework/music lessons/family time done... Inside.
    It has also been my overwhelming experience over years of training dogs, that pet dogs who live outside are usually vastly undertrained, and when people do head out to them, or on the odd occasion they're let inside, they get so overawed and excited that they're promptly left alone outside again. Having dog live inside forces you to train it well, and it pays off in huge bucketfuls with such devoted and clever dogs as the GSD.
    I've had 3 GSDs from the same lines, and will always have them, because they are utterly bulletproof with everyone and everything. They are laid back, easygoing, gentle to a fault, there quite simply isn't a bad bone in their bodies. They'll still bark at strangers though, but it wouldn't even occur to them to do harm to anyone. I've posted about them before... They're from a line that's really designed to be a PET dog, but can be used for work if need be. They're originally from working lines. They're healthy, straight-backed, great hips, some problems with lower back pain later in life (they're huge dogs, even the females are 40kg+). I've put a fair few people onto this line of GSDs, and I've yet to hear one single complaint... But again, they're all bought with the deal that they're not going to be living outside.
    For the record, I wouldn't touch a GSD from show lines. Dodgy both physically and mentally.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,524 ✭✭✭Zapperzy


    Family members got a pup from 'working' lines and the poor thing is a ball of stress and energy. The breeder bred for security and attack dogs and kept the pups in a pen out the back of an unoccupied house, boasted about being able to leave the doors unlocked 24/7. The dog was then sent for 'residential training' down in louth.

    He's a beautiful dog with a lovely temperment but is seriously high energy, wound up and a lot of hard work. He unsocialised with other dogs and therefore will chase and pin down other dogs, he's also killed a fox that wandered into his garden. Wouldn't trust him with cats or small dogs. He's also had bad skin issues, hair loss and weight loss, I've no doubt linked in some way to stress/anxiety.

    On the positive side he's a straight backed gsd and seems to have no other health issues. No issues with his hips.

    He's definitely an example of a poor breeder mixed with a poor trainer. Not sure if that breeder is still operating, hope not, they were in mayo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    Forgot all about that beast you had RT....thanks for all the advice. I am heading to Portlaoise Rugby Club on the 25th as there is a huge show on so I am hoping to see some beautiful dogs there and possibly get a heads up on some breeders.

    Thanx again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    I currently stay at home minding the little fella so I will be around 24/7, so the dog will not be left alone for long periods of time.

    Its not un-realistic to have the dog outside in the back at night and then be with the family in house etc for the rest of the day surely??

    Cant thank you enough for all the help, I can tell from the posts how passionate you all are towards your dogs its great to see, from what I have seen online and from reading up I think I will be going for a male pup, short haired from a working line.

    Another thing I would like to ask is the idea of feeding the dog a pure RAW Food diet, from what I have read and from alot of really good breeders online they are all for it. Obviously I am not just taking meat, I know you need to add other substitutes like fruit and supplements (cod liver oil, green tripe etc).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    Wonda-Boy wrote: »
    I currently stay at home minding the little fella so I will be around 24/7, so the dog will not be left alone for long periods of time.

    Its not un-realistic to have the dog outside in the back at night and then be with the family in house etc for the rest of the day surely??

    Cant thank you enough for all the help, I can tell from the posts how passionate you all are towards your dogs its great to see, from what I have seen online and from reading up I think I will be going for a male pup, short haired from a working line.

    Another thing I would like to ask is the idea of feeding the dog a pure RAW Food diet, from what I have read and from alot of really good breeders online they are all for it. Obviously I am not just taking meat, I know you need to add other substitutes like fruit and supplements (cod liver oil, green tripe etc).


    My 2 cents regarding raw. I fed raw from about 5 months onwards. After reading up it just made sense that it was the best quality compared to any kibble/nut brand. It was a bonus at the time when I started raw feeding that raw feeding would actually be cheaper than the expensive kibble brands. Sadly this has changed in recent months. The price of raw has risen and I cant see it slowing down. There are some very good FB raw feeding groups and these are great for info and feeding guides.

    Just to give you a rough idea a full grown male gsd will probably need 1kg of raw per day (1.3kg if very active). Your looking at about E3.60 per kilo at the lower end rising to over E5.00 for the fancy stuff. To be honest you prob get better deals with human grade foods in supermarkets and the likes. Tesco bargain fridge can be great. I have recently switch to half and half. He gets kibble in the morning and 500g raw in the evening.



    Just to add my last fella was fed with LIDL brand kibble and never had a sick day in the 10 years he was around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    One of the links that you posted had some lady talking about half and half aswell, so does another very good website. I think if you buy are really good expensive kibble that is non wheat or grain (i think) and use it like you say is a very good idea. Maybe a fish oil based kibble to get the balance with the meats.

    I dont think I would be getting dog specific RAW food, I would just be getting as you said tesco and the like chicken, beef and liver etc from the butchers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Wonda-Boy wrote: »

    I dont think I would be getting dog specific RAW food, I would just be getting as you said tesco and the like chicken, beef and liver etc from the butchers.

    You need to make sure whatever raw diet you're feeding is balanced eh the right percentage of meat/bone/offal - especially for a large breed pup. Also you won't save that much buying from Tescos or butchers(!). When Lucy was a pup eating us out of house and home I bulked her raw completes out with Rocco Junior from zoo plus to cut coats down - she was on over 1kg a day at one stage


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 227 ✭✭Dubs1990


    Another working line german shepherd owner here ! I feed half raw half Rocco dog food , it works well he'll get mince , chicken legs , salmon heads , kidney liver etc and also a tin of food . I am not going to lie , my lad does be out the back , not all day just when I need him too with the baby running around. Also he runs with me and is walked daily so is generally chilled out ! He sleeps inside , woke me up at 3am last night with 2 girls getting out of a taxi , that's the sort of dog I always want ! Peace of mind knowing he's there to alert aswell. I would recommend the breeder I got him off if you want his number . He's as gentle around people and has a very good personality. But as a pup be prepared for the nipping !


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    Cheers for the input, PM sent for breeders number.

    BTW,

    Is that Rocco food dry kibble or wet dog food?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    Wonda-Boy wrote: »
    Cheers for the input, PM sent for breeders number.

    BTW,

    Is that Rocco food dry kibble or wet dog food?

    It's wet and luckily for us with large breeds it comes in 800g cans! :pac::pac::pac:

    That's the saver pack - you can but smaller amounts too though :
    https://www.zooplus.ie/shop/dogs/canned_dog_food/rocco/rocco_junior/154073

    They have covers that fit the big cans too :
    https://www.zooplus.ie/shop/cats/cat_bowls_feeders/storage/127528


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭Richard tea


    tk123 wrote: »
    It's wet and luckily for us with large breeds it comes in 800g cans! :pac::pac::pac:

    That's the saver pack - you can but smaller amounts too though :
    https://www.zooplus.ie/shop/dogs/canned_dog_food/rocco/rocco_junior/154073

    They have covers that fit the big cans too :
    https://www.zooplus.ie/shop/cats/cat_bowls_feeders/storage/127528




    I wasnt aware of Rocco. Do you find it to be good quality? coat still shiney? Would I be right in saying it does not contain bone?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 227 ✭✭Dubs1990


    I wasnt aware of Rocco. Do you find it to be good quality? coat still shiney? Would I be right in saying it does not contain bone?

    Ye I find it good quality , the poultry hearts tin you can actually see the small hearts ! Dont think it contains bone , but never looked as my lad gets enough bone eating his chicken legs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    There's no bone in it. I tend to stick to the sensitive one - it's my emergency food if Bailey is having a pancreatitis flare up. I've also used it between deliveries when I ran out of boneless chunks so served it with wings/necks/carcass etc etc


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    I see you can also get it with Green Tripe....that would be excellent. Seems to be sold out alot (for good reason too).

    Cheers lads.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    Was at the GSD dog show in Portlaoise yesterday, was not the event I taught it was going to be (quite small and local). It was advertised as the All Ireland GSD show so I taught it would be huge with shops and stalls etc.

    Never the less there were some absolutely stunning dogs there, I really could not believe the lengths the owners were doing to win lol. Some good some very under handed......one clown was setting off his car alarm every time the other dog was getting examined by judge if his dog was in the event!!!!

    Was also a rare pure black GSD that won everything it was in for....judge said it was a prime example of a GSD.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,019 ✭✭✭✭tk123


    There was actually GSD puppy at the vets yesterday....terrified little thing :( And not chipped or vaccinated either. Choose your breeder wisely OP


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    I am trying but I taught it would be alot easier to find a good one, so far I only know of two near me (Priderock Kennels Enfield & Karlshrue Kennel in Kildare) and a good tip from a use in here.

    I have had no dealing with either and dont know of anyone who has had dealings with them, but the lady from Karlshrue Kennels had a few dos on show on Portlaoise and they were stunning.

    Not too much advertising on Facebook either for GSDs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭eoin.d


    Wonda-Boy wrote:
    I am trying but I taught it would be alot easier to find a good one, so far I only know of two near me (Priderock Kennels Enfield & Karlshrue Kennel in Kildare) and a good tip from a use in here.

    Any luck locating a pup?
    Im on the lookout myself


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    Not yet mate, kinda reserved to getting one later in the year from a kennel that a litter it due.

    I have one more chap to ring....fingers crossed.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 6,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    It is not unusual to have to wait over a year for a pup OP. Please be patient. You choose the best breeder according to your own criteria then wait.


  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭eoin.d


    Mind me asking which breeder you went with


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,013 ✭✭✭✭Wonda-Boy


    The two kennels I have contacted that have litters due the end of year are:-

    Priderock Kennels (Enfield)

    Karlsrhue Kennels (Kildare)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭VonVix


    Wonda-Boy wrote: »
    The two kennels I have contacted that have litters due the end of year are:-

    Priderock Kennels (Enfield)

    Karlsrhue Kennels (Kildare)

    A know and handle a boy from the second kennels mentioned, out of Ash-Indie. Stunning stable boy, fabulous temperament, loves people and in great health the years I've known him. He is lively and energetic, not a couch potato dog, wants to work/do something and needs his human to want to do something with him. If he's anything to go by, they have great dogs.

    [Dog Training + Behaviour Nerd]



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 maryedmoore


    Hi has anybody dealt with Priderock kennels on here? I bought a pup few days ago from them in Paulstown Kilkenny. Their website s very misleading. I dont know when it was last updated and basically I dont know if I can trust them. They tell me they no longer register their pups and the parents either. My boys fell in love with pup and we bought anyway, but paid way too much I feel for an unregistered dog. The They dont microchip either. Any advice please?


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