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Help me pick my guitar!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Sorry, I should have said, I am looking down the road of semi-acoustics. hence the above


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    The Casino is a full-hollowbody, not a semi-. It is a thinline though, which makes it look similar on a visual level. It's much more prone to feedback than the likes of the Sheraton, for example.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Cheers.! My technical knowledge wouldn't be great. I like the look of the Sheraton, alot. Looking at the Thomann site, they have the Wildkat and The Dot for circa 350. Would there be much of a difference quality wise? Has anyone a preference for which of all these is best? I'm pretty much shooting in the dark at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 369 ✭✭Seanf999


    the goon wrote: »
    Cheers.! My technical knowledge wouldn't be great. I like the look of the Sheraton, alot. Looking at the Thomann site, they have the Wildkat and The Dot for circa 350. Would there be much of a difference quality wise? Has anyone a preference for which of all these is best? I'm pretty much shooting in the dark at the moment.

    As far as I'm aware the wildcat is more of a les paul that happens to be semi hollow (I think?) and the Sheraton is more of a es335 size


  • Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭Matt Bianco


    Unless you are heel bent on buying new, I would consider going second hand. I have a Korean made Sheraton which is of much better quality than the current Chinese models - they come up regularly on Adverts for around the €350 mark which would give you the option to upgrade the pickups and electrics which many do. A fantastic guitar and a huge variety of tones available.

    Don't rule out the Gretsch options though - again 5 series Gretschs are regulars on Adverts although I would imagine you'll be spending close to the max of your budget to secure one.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Cheers for the replies! I think from everything I see and hear, the Sheraton is the one for me. I was under the impression that the this one below, which is on Thomann is Korean? Find that information hard to find on the site. I have no problem buying second hand only that where I am and where most of the gats are that I would be interested are geographically removed from each other! That, work and kids makes it difficult for me to give something like that the time.

    http://www.thomann.de/ie/epiphone_sheraton_II_bk.htm


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    The above is made in China. Production changed from Korea to China about seven or eight years ago.

    They're nice guitars - much nicer after a pickup change, as said.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Cheers guys for all the info. Based on all said here maybe best thing I can do is try and go second hand and hope something comes up in my area. Maybe that way I might be lucky and come across something really nice for round 500. Fingers crossed some nice guitars come up after Christmas!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,563 ✭✭✭stateofflux


    wait and save for a les paul Standard.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    wait and save for a les paul Standard.

    Completely different guitar. He's looking at semi-hollowbodies.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    wait and save for a les paul Standard.

    Yes, there's no comparison, really.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Hi guys. Well have been drooling over gats for the last couple of days.A Korean Sheraton seems to be my main option. But after thinking about it, I was looking at something like below and thinkin of stickin it on the credit card. Any advice?

    http://www.thomann.de/ie/gretsch_g5622t_cb_electromatic_blk.htm


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    I think that's an astonishingly high price for a Chinese-made guitar.

    In 2008 I got a mint Pro-Line G6118 Anniversary model for just over the price of the above Electromatic. A while ago, for sure, but it goes to show.

    Have you considered anything by Reverend Guitars?


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Thanks. As far as I can see the Gretsch is Korean made?. Those Reverend guitars are lovely but I found it hard to try and track down a seller for them


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,021 ✭✭✭il gatto


    I have a Korean casino and as much as I love it, it has a baseball bat of a neck and feeds back like a motherf@cker. As an only guitar, I wouldn't go for it.
    Sheratons are really nice and far more useable. The Chinese made ones are very nicely finished in my opinion. The Dots are also great value. I'm not one for changing pickups but if they turned out to be a weak link, you could always change them down the line.


  • Registered Users Posts: 513 ✭✭✭boycey


    Have you bought yet?
    Two to check out....
    http://www.adverts.ie/6942823

    http://www.adverts.ie/electric-guitars/yamaha-aex-502/5937024

    Big fan of Yamaha stuff, really well put together for the price point, from their lower priced models right up to their MIJ higher end line. If I had the bucks to spare both of those would be in my harem as we speak!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    the goon wrote: »
    Thanks. As far as I can see the Gretsch is Korean made?. Those Reverend guitars are lovely but I found it hard to try and track down a seller for them

    You could probably get a Reverend from a shop in the US for around the price of the Gretsch on Thomann, all included, if you shop around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Ya I have been looking at the Reverends over Christmas. They seem to have an unbelievable reputation! On a side note, having spent alot of time recently lookin at guitars on ebay, is there anything to be said for buying guitars as an investment, or is it only at the high end that this makes sense? For example, will something like the below hold its value?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2011-Gibson-ES-335-Satin-Cherry-Red-Faded-/271707447099?pt=Guitar&hash=item3f43069f3b


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,021 ✭✭✭il gatto


    the goon wrote: »
    Ya I have been looking at the Reverends over Christmas. They seem to have an unbelievable reputation! On a side note, having spent alot of time recently lookin at guitars on ebay, is there anything to be said for buying guitars as an investment, or is it only at the high end that this makes sense? For example, will something like the below hold its value?

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2011-Gibson-ES-335-Satin-Cherry-Red-Faded-/271707447099?pt=Guitar&hash=item3f43069f3b

    It'll hold it's value give or take. You won't make much but you won't loose much. Even high end stuff won't appreciate. Vintage is where you can make money, if you know what your at. 50s and 60s stuff alway commanded a hefty premium but nowadays even 70s stuff is. The 70s are not regarded as a high water mark of quality at Fender or Gibson. Just being old seems to be enough. Eventually 80s stuff may attract a premium.
    Modern stuff will probably never appreciate as there's too much of it around. When I bought my Les Paul (99 I think) there was feck all Les Paul's around. I'd only seen two guys with them in the flesh. These days the county is full of them in their many guises.
    If you have 10k you don't need you could invest in a pre CBS tele that you can sell on in a few years, provided you haven't become attached to it, by all means go for it. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Cheers, just thought it was interesting, lookin on Ebay etc at the actual Gibson ES 335's. Unfortunately, don't have 10k handy right at this moment! But have decided I could get away with spending circa 800-1000. Would be nice to get something which I could hold on to and maybe eventually give to my daughter. I also like the idea of buying something a little older which might have a bit of a story or history to it. Most of the guitarists I like seem to use the ES 335.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    Investing in guitars is a risky business. You don't want something that will just hold its value; rather something that will appreciate in value. I guess the aim is always to beat the inflation rate and that is very difficult when the likes of Gibson and Fender are pumping out large amounts of guitars with similar features. Value goes up when certain features become less common and more desirable at the same time, which is very difficult to account for or plot.

    I would suggest that the above is a bad investment instrument. First of all, shipping is with FedEx, which is about $150 more than USPS. They also charge a brokerage fee for bringing the item through customs. Their valuation of instruments tends to be more rigorous than the likes of USPS and An Post, meaning that you will typically pay closer to what you should. The instrument itself is relatively non-descript - there are quite a lot of them out there.

    The key is comparing how much the item costs in Europe, how much it sells for second hand and how much it will cost you to obtain. I find that certain instruments at around the €800-1000 mark tend to hold their value well. The price is sufficiently low that people on the likes of Adverts can muster the cash for it, something which is by no means a given. Selling instruments online is a horrible experience given the amount of absolute fools out there.

    If you're just looking for a way to justify the guitar you've wanted for a long time then just decide if it's worth it to you or not. Even if you buy well an item may not hold its value but it might well give you €300-worth of pleasure over 3 or 4 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    Thanks for the advice. I think you might have hit the nail on the head there. You should be a shrink! My head is trying to justify what my heart wants. Feels better for having said it outloud!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 3,635 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ravelleman


    the goon wrote: »
    Thanks for the advice. I think you might have hit the nail on the head there. You should be a shrink! My head is trying to justify what my heart wants. Feels better for having said it outloud!

    I base my diagnoses on personal experience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,021 ✭✭✭il gatto


    Buy something you want to keep and years down the line, when the money you've spent is long forgotten about, total up the hours of pleasure it's given you and enjoy how cheap it was as a form of entertainment. That's how I look at it. I look at €4000-€5000 worth of stuff I've accumulated over the last 20 years and then consider I would've spent 4-5 times that if I played golf instead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭coppinger


    thomann.de/ie/fender_modern_player_tele_thinline_sb.htm


    Tried one of these in a shop and it was great fun, sorta hollowbody, sorta semi.


  • Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭the goon


    I have looked at so many guitars now I've gone google eyed. Still good fun


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  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭biketard


    Well personally I'd go for the Sheraton. That one's pre-China and it's had a (very nice) pickup upgrade.

    Very easy to sell years down the road too.


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