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Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)
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A post explaining things from Bloke on the range, on youtube.
Bloke on the Range
1 hour ago
A quick (heh) FAQ:
Yes, unfortunately we lost the referendum. The new law is likely to enter into force on 1 July (people have been saying 1 June, but the Bericht des Bundesrates says 1 July).
Yes, this sucks.
Yes, it could have been far, far worse - initial drafts of the law were jaw-droppingly bad. Small mercies and all that...
No, this will not affect the continued existence of BotR. We will keep calm and carry on.
Yes, this will be a bit more of a PITA for acquiring semiauto rifles with 11+ round magazines or pistols with 21+ round magazines in the future. Cost mostly. And having to prove you're a sports shooter (club membership or regular private range shooting, no German-style nonsense with "disciplines" though) or collector.
No, "collector" is not defined. So each canton will make it up for themselves.
Yes, buying exactly the same firearm with a smaller magazine is unaffected.
Yes, it's whether the firearms is equipped with such a magazine, not whether it's capable of receiving one.
No, what "equipped with" actually means isn't finalised (the rules contained a provision that was clearly unworkable and would have criminalised 2 people sharing a car to the range if 1 had a 10-round Stgw 90 and the other a 20-round Stgw 90. Hopefully that definition will go away).
No, affected firearms already acquired before entry into force are unaffected.
No, there is no change with respect to full auto or downconversions from full auto.
Yes, there's a variant of an SBR law coming in - semiauto rifles which can be folded or telescoped down to under 60cm OAL without losing function are affected too. The wording doesn't affect fixed stock carbines that are always below 60cm OAL and doesn't seem to affect folders/telescopers which are already below 60cm OAL with the stock deployed.
Yes, this will probably result in newly-sold short rifles having their stocks fixed or a firing mechanism disconnect built in.
Yes, I have bought ahead pretty much everything affected I think I need for the channel.
No, we won't be doing a video on this until the Implementing Regulations ("Waffenverordnung") are finalised, cos there are too many loose ends at the moment. I'm planning on doing it with Ines Elena Kessler who did excellent work as a leading light of the No campaign in the media and is part of the Kessler Auktionen family.
No, we won't be relocating to the US just yet
Yes, the EU are extremely likely to come back in a few years' time for another bite at the apple.
Yes, if you have a general question not in this list, the answer is likely "we don't know yet" cos the Waffenverordnung hasn't been finalised.
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Exactly as i said above:
You're back to being childish again
I've highlighted your problem. Your belief is wrong.
If I am, who was told?What obligation had the NRAI to tell anyone they were applying seeing as how it was not a secret and the DoJ issued an open invitation for applicants. They even took out an advert to remind people/groups to apply.
No more than NASRPC were under an obligation tell anyone.NO ONE ELSE APPLIED. NOT ONE.
Incorrect. VCRAI submitted an application. This has been discussed here previously.I don't recall the Minister, Gardai or DoJ ever saying we didn't need reloading or that there should only be 300 pistols in Ireland and we all had to apprentice to a bunch of lads for a year to qualify to apply for a licence for one. As for reloading I explained it only a post ago:
Waffle !The Midlands did NOT apply for it, the NRAI did. It is simply carried out on the Midlands range. It's why not everyone can reload just by being a Midlands member and why it's only for F-Class because that is what the NRAI are NGBs off.
Midlands & NRAI are one in the same. I know ! I am there
How is that the fault of the NRAI?
Depends on your opinion/allegiances I suppose.If they refused to abide by the regulations, which changed year on year for nearly 7 years, set out for them by the DoJ reloading would be gone, FOR EVERYONE.
It's gone for some of "us" already.Don't know who sold you that, but the DoJ invited applications for any group or individual seeking to get permission to reload.
If I get th hance I'll search old posts on this subject ...............EVERY group except the NRAI refused this offer. An extension was offered and still only one group, the NRAI, applied. had the NRAI not applied the DoJ said quite clearly that they were remvoing the ability to apply for a reloading permit and the act of reloading would have been gone for good, again for EVERYONE.
Some withing groups refused, some knew nothing of it. And NO it's not Midlands/NRAI's fault.What baffles me is why people like yourself don't ask other associations, groups, NGBs, etc. why they refused it. Had every or at least a few more groups applied for reloading then perhaps the DoJ would have seen a greater need for it and it would be easier to access for more people.
I did ask. I didn't get answers. But that's not Midlands/NRAI's fault either.As it stands only the long range lads wanted it, they applied and got it. Now people like you, using incorrect information, somehow blame the midlands (still the NRAI with the permit) for getting it and not the other groups for not even applying.
No, I and other members of Midlands wantd and still want it. Yet unless we shoot F Class we're not allowed have it. Apparently, that's down to DOJ.It's like the people that want a gun or type of gun only when they are banned.
Waffle !It is only for F-Class becuase its the NRAI that applied, not the midlands range.
As I said the two are one in the same- Explain to me how the midlands issue licenses/authorisation for other groups to reload?
- Explain to me how the midlands stopped others from applying?
- Explain to me where you think reloading would be had the NRAI not applied for it?
More waffle !If you can explain any of the above to me with fact, proof, even reliable intel i'll gladly accept your argument and make inquiries as to how this happened.
Waffle.However in the 10 years since NRAI got their first pilot scheme not once has anyone had anything other than rumor, opinion, guess work, and derogatory remarks to put forward as evidence.
As I said I'm a member there .......................I was there when all this started. I was there when we had to jump through over €100,000 worth of hoops to get a tiny portion of what our EU shooting brethren have. For the inspections, the change of minds (on the AGS/DOJ side) and the rebuilding.
I was there too & still am & can't relaod. You still reloading?Even in the last 5 years how many other ranges, groups, NGBs, associations, etc. have applied for authorisation? If everyone wants its so much i'll sk one more time. Why refuse it, and allowing for that as a past bad decision why have they not sought it since?
Deflction & waffle.
So, in my opinion Midlands/NRAI have ruined reloading for the rest of "us" in the same way NASRPC tried to ruin pistol shooting.0 -
Glass houses, stone throwing and all that other good stuff:rugerfanatic wrote: »You're back to being childish againrugerfanatic wrote:Waffle.rugerfanatic wrote:Waffle.rugerfanatic wrote:More waffle !rugerfanatic wrote:Waffle.rugerfanatic wrote:Waffle.
You were saying?Deflction & waffle.
The members of the NRAI were told an application was being submitted.If I am, who was told?
You said above it wasn't the NASRPC but a few individuals within it. Here is a reminder:No more than NASRPC were under an obligation tell anyone.
So a small bunch of lads within the NASRPC tried to corner the market on pistols, licensing, graduated licensing, training and done so not only behind the backs of the other shooting groups but the NASRPC committee itself and you believe that is comparable to the NRAI applying for reloading under an open invitation issued by the DoJ to ALL shooting groups?Rugerfanatic wrote:TBH, it was certain elements within those organisations more so than the whole organisation IIRC.
So i've been told.Incorrect. VCRAI submitted an application. This has been discussed here previously.
No they're not.Midlands & NRAI are one in the same. I know ! I am there
Believe the lies if you will. I'm not interested in trying to convince you otherwise.Depends on your opinion/allegiances I suppose.
Sounds eerily familiar. Another user said the very same thing.It's gone for some of "us" already.
Knock yourself out.If I get th hance I'll search old posts on this subject ...............Some withing groups refused, some knew nothing of it. And NO it's not Midlands/NRAI's fault.
Nothing i can add to this.I did ask. I didn't get answers. But that's not Midlands/NRAI's fault either.
Once again i make the distinction between the Midlands range and the NRAI as means of an explanation.No, I and other members of Midlands wantd and still want it. Yet unless we shoot F Class we're not allowed have it. Apparently, that's down to DOJ.
It was the NRAI that applied for the reloading "license" to be carried out on the Midlands range. As the NRAI deal in long range/sporting rifle you must compete in these disciplines to be able to reload.
Nope. Perhaps ten years ago.As I said the two are one in the same
Delighted for ya.As I said I'm a member there .......................
Did you ever shoot long range/F-Class?I was there too & still am & can't relaod. You still reloading?
As for me reloading. Not anymore. I shoot short range informally and outside of the range i hunt. I cannot load for anything other than F-Class i don't anymore. I buy my ammo for my plinking and hunting in the shops.
Besides reloading is overrated.
What you call waffle, multiple times, is a poor excuse for not addressing the issue.So, in my opinion Midlands/NRAI have ruined reloading for the rest of "us" in the same way NASRPC tried to ruin pistol shooting.
The NASRPC tried, unsuccessfully thank God, to monopolise the market on pistol shooting. Their proposal was a joke, and i had committee members of the NASRPC defend their secret actions by saying, and i sh*t you not, "whats everyone getting worked up about, it didn't work out for us". Their proposal was illegal and showe a clear lack of understanding of the law, but had it been successful they would have control over :- Who gets a pistol license
- Who gets a pistol
- Waiting list to get a pistol
- Graduated licensing
- Training courses (funny how shooting schools popped up at the same time this proposals were going in)
- Limited total amount of licenses
- Ban on some types of guns including Glocks with a committee member was actually using (diner party Glock owners they called those who owned Glocks)
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