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02-11-2019, 23:37   #46
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Do you realize if Ireland turns Communist, they won`t let us leave. Everyone in the country will effectively be a prisoner and a slave. Mind you, they will not be calling Communism Communism because it is a discredited ideology but whatever they call it, that is what it will be.

Freedom means respecting market forces. The minimum wage and other anti free market policies will enslave us.
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Sewer workers are very skilled. Mad thread altogether
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Sewer workers are very skilled. Mad thread altogether
Nobody said otherwise. They are engineers in subterranean sanitation. But, my point is they still work with smelly slop and picking flowers might be nicer and so it is not true to say Irish people don`t want to do certain jobs. It is the minimum wage that causes Irish people to avoid private sector jobs that cannot pay the legal requirement. Obviously the dole helps them in this decision but if the minimum wage was lowered progressively over time to zero, then more and more non viable enterprises would become viable, not only to employers but to workers.
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Nobody said otherwise. They are engineers in subterranean sanitation. But, my point is they still work with smelly slop and picking flowers might be nicer and so it is not true to say Irish people don`t want to do certain jobs. It is the minimum wage that causes Irish people to avoid private sector jobs that cannot pay the legal requirement. Obviously the dole helps them in this decision but if the minimum wage was lowered progressively over time to zero, then more and more non viable enterprises would become viable, not only to employers but to workers.
Do you actually believe the stupidity contained in the above?
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Are you saying you want to starve people into doing manual labour for farmers for cheaper. The benefits or unique selling point of this scheme will be stopping the foreigners coming in?

Are you a farmer that is fed up risking a fine because your foreign workers are being paid below minimum wage

Or

Are you a farmer who hates employing foreigners and would like to hire Irish people for below minimum wage?
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Wait maybe we are not all working toward the same goal here.

The goal of government is to provide the people it represents with the highest collective standard of living possible.

That's what I believe should be legislated for. Can you explain how lowering minimum wage will help to achieve this?
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Wait maybe we are not all working toward the same goal here.

The goal of government is to provide the people it represents with the highest collective standard of living possible.

That's what I believe should be legislated for. Can you explain how lowering minimum wage will help to achieve this?
You are asking a sensible question off someone who on other threads has suggested the return of the Magdalene Laundries. Don't hold your breath.
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The OP's question is another tangent of... society was better when we were poor and rural and everyone knew their place.

How dare people want a decent standard of living from the work they do.
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The OP's question is another tangent of... society was better when we were poor and rural and everyone knew their place.

How dare people want a decent standard of living from the work they do.
Miceart. Industrialization is a good thing. Besides, we have not really been paid what we think we have earned. There is a 226,720,000,000 euro debt to be serviced (heading for the quarter trillion) which will make its presence felt when interest rates rise. The rise in interest rates is likely to coincide with diminished means to service the debt. After all, trade declines and factories close when recessions arise. The traditional response to a recession is to lower interest rates only we are already below zero. The new response to recession is to initiate QE, but we are already doing QE. If a recession comes,the amount of QE necessary will be gigantic and even if Germany, Holland and Finland went along with it, such measures would render the Euro worthless. I believe the next recession will cause the break up of the EU.
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Miceart. Industrialization is a good thing. Besides, we have not really been paid what we think we have earned. There is a 226,720,000,000 euro debt to be serviced (heading for the quarter trillion) which will make its presence felt when interest rates rise. The rise in interest rates is likely to coincide with diminished means to service the debt. After all, trade declines and factories close when recessions arise. The traditional response to a recession is to lower interest rates only we are already below zero. The new response to recession is to initiate QE, but we are already doing QE. If a recession comes,the amount of QE necessary will be gigantic and even if Germany, Holland and Finland went along with it, such measures would render the Euro worthless. I believe the next recession will cause the break up of the EU.
Haven't you several post where this was supposed to happen a couple of years ago? in fact the world financial order was dommed and collapse was imminent, we were all to hoard gold or something, plus are you a little obsessed with recessions and depressions.
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Haven't you several post where this was supposed to happen a couple of years ago? in fact the world financial order was dommed and collapse was imminent, we were all to hoard gold or something, plus are you a little obsessed with recessions and depressions.
Indeed, but the point is, it is a certainty which will worsen the longer it is postponed.
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Indeed, but the point is, it is a certainty which will worsen the longer it is postponed.
so when is it next due then? Like next Tuesday maybe?
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so when is it next due then? Like next Tuesday maybe?
So the point is, it is a certainty which will worsen the longer it is postponed.

You seem to think the point is a dot on the screen.
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So the point is, it is a certainty which will worsen the longer it is postponed.

You seem to think the point is a dot on the screen.
way to change your tune, from being utterly certain of the exact time frame in the past its now some nebulous future possibility?
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Nobody said otherwise. They are engineers in subterranean sanitation. But, my point is they still work with smelly slop and picking flowers might be nicer and so it is not true to say Irish people don`t want to do certain jobs. It is the minimum wage that causes Irish people to avoid private sector jobs that cannot pay the legal requirement. Obviously the dole helps them in this decision but if the minimum wage was lowered progressively over time to zero, then more and more non viable enterprises would become viable, not only to employers but to workers.
You are actually arguing that people would actually be better off it they were poorer.

That sounds bat **** crazy to me.

Oh and... Jesus Christ... reporting somebody for blasphemy???
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