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02-11-2019, 14:15   #31
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I worked jobs picking avocados and kiwis in the past, back breaking stuff! It must be a tough one for the loony right wingers on here as they don't like cheap imported unskilled labour but upping the minimum wage goes against their beliefs too.
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I worked jobs picking avocados and kiwis in the past, back breaking stuff! It must be a tough one for the loony right wingers on here as they don't like cheap imported unskilled labour but upping the minimum wage goes against their beliefs too.
actually both the left and right dictators love cheap imported unskilled labour
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If you think so, I believe there are lots of vacancies. You should have no problem getting a job.
I'd hazard a guess they value themselves much more highly than the minimum wage. Minimum wage is for people beneath them.
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It's a bit counter intuitive that you're anti immigrant but want Irish people working worse jobs for less pay. You want to force Irish people down rather than bring others up
Wrong on at least two counts. I am not anti immigrant. One of the distorting impacts of the minimum wage here is it makes goods from China for example more expensive to people from Nigeria for example. This is because our artificially high purchasing power is caused by the minimum wage at least for now. It also makes our employment black markets lucrative to migrants. The migrants would prefer if we did not price them out of international markets and ideally they would prefer to stay in their own countries. Such matters are of course of no interest to people who only pretend to be concerned about the welfare of migrants.
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02-11-2019, 22:46   #35
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OP goes on about people working long hours on mushroom farms because of labour shortage due to low wages and concludes that if minimum wage was removed, and they could be paid less, that it would be better.

Go and offer your services to a mushroom farmer at the weekends OP. Tell him you don't need minimum wage and report back to us on how you are getting on.

By all means try to argue that minimum wage means some roles and jobs don't exist that might otherwise exist (I'm not saying I'm against minimum wage...just that there is a smidgin of very narrow logic to that view....which means it could be debated, but the above, I don't know where to start)
I removed the blasphemy at the beginning of your post and reported you for it. As for the rest of your post, I declined to read it. No more blasphemy please!
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I removed the blasphemy at the beginning of your post and reported you for it. As for the rest of your post, I declined to read it. No more blasphemy please!
You reported him for blasphemy? Christ on a bike that’s pathetic.
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Have you considered that minimum pay is exactly what it sounds like and not an upper limit as you seem to think?

There is nothing preventing employers from paying more. Perhaps if they paid a living wage they might attract more employees ( even Irish ones ).
The real minimum pay is the market rate. Because the market rate is below the minimum wage for many enterprises, those businesses cannot exist. Without a minimum wage, Irish people would find the market pay rate an acceptable living wage and I know this because I know they would do the work if the minimum wage was abolished.
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The real minimum pay is the market rate. Because the market rate is below the minimum wage for many enterprises, those businesses cannot exist. Without a minimum wage, Irish people would find the market pay rate an acceptable living wage and I know this because I know they would do the work if the minimum wage was abolished.
Maybe its time you stopped advocating for the exploitation of workers
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It is funny how people always say that the Irish/British don't want to do low paid jobs, if that is so then how did the work get done pre 2004? Who worked in the factories and warehouses, local people did and they had a better wage than they do now. In the 80s and 90s low paid men were able to build big rural bungalows like what my father did, a low paid worker couldn't do that now.

As I've said before, work is the root cause of my future suicide, slaving away for £260 a week and causing your body serious damage in the process, no pass me the rope. People will just say "get a better job", if you are an autistic, average IQ man with anxiety issues you have no option but to do the lowest level jobs.
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On the other hand, ground workers who have to work in the sewers probably get paid quite well and if it were simply a case of Irish people not wanting to do the work then those jobs would not be filled for any money.
For safety reasons, exceptionally few people work in sewers. People won't fit in 95% of sewers and the systems are designed with minimum maintenance requirements and even at that, most of the work is done by machine or is at manholes.
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€9.80 rising to €10.10 in May.
But if everyone on minimum wage gets the pay rise the increase in purchasing power is minimized and if everyone on higher salaries ultimately get a pay rise by a similar differential, then in real terms, those on the minimum wage will end up being worse off because of it.

By the way, this is just another symptom of easy money from the ECB, a policy which will be inflationary eventually.
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The 'keeper of reality' should be more worried about what the great unskilled will do with themselves
- when automation snatches roughly 44% of their typical roles from their hands, as we head towards the 2030s.
If an employer is told he must pay an employee more than they are worth, then he can either operate at a loss, or get rid of the employee and scale back production or automate production. In very small businesses, getting rid of the employee is more likely but for large businesses, automation or plant closure are more likely.
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You have set the whole thing up with these assertions and then continued on without questioning them.
Where is your proof Irish people don't want these jobs. Where is you proof of migrants being frequently paid less than the minimum wage.

The main point where your thesis falls down OP is that our unemployment rate is relatively low OP. If employers are struggling to recruit it is because their prospective employees have better (better paid, better hours, easier work, closer to home or whatever people consider better) opportunities elsewhere, not because there are forced to pay too much.
I suggest you go back and read the post again. I do not need to prove Irish people don`t want to do certain jobs because what I said was that I heard it said that Irish people don`t want to do certain jobs and then I poured cold water on that theory.
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Maybe its time you stopped advocating for the exploitation of workers
Do you realize if Ireland turns Communist, they won`t let us leave. Everyone in the country will effectively be a prisoner and a slave. Mind you, they will not be calling Communism Communism because it is a discredited ideology but whatever they call it, that is what it will be.

Freedom means respecting market forces. The minimum wage and other anti free market policies will enslave us.
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My cousin worked for dyna rod is it called? he said it was hilarious.
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