Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yep this is a huge fight for Ben, It oculd make or break him as a real coach,
Just on Fury warm up they where pretty poor but Pianeta is the type of guy Wilder has fought 95 %  of the time in his pro fights

Yes, that is true, Fury's opposition has been very poor for most his career...

The point that is more specific is not so much who he is fighting, but how he is performing in the fights...

His last two showed a real lethargic and ponderous looking Fury. I have seen him far sharper.

100% Wilder deals with guys in a more devastating way , but Fury always  does enough to win and always has every time he has stepped up he does enough , He done it at every single level Irish, English , European , International and then World title, He so far has always found a way to win
Again obviously Wilder is fav with his one shot power but if Fury is anywhere near fit he can cause him trouble, Really looking forward to it ,

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

100% Wilder deals with guys in a more devastating way , but Fury always  does enough to win and always has every time he has stepped up he does enough , He done it at every single level Irish, English , European , International and then World title, He so far has always found a way to win
Again obviously Wilder is fav with his one shot power but if Fury is anywhere near fit he can cause him trouble, Really looking forward to it ,

Are you focusing on his 2015 and pre 2015 fights here?

What about now and very recently? You reckon he is near that shape and will be better in 8 weeks' time?

In todays shape he can cause Wilder problems,would it be better if he was in better shape Yes of course it would ,
Its quite strange cause today before camp starts Tyson is in better shape than the two guys who cost Wilder the most problems,
Ortiz is an out of shape  48 yearold and Stiverne is in horrible shape and 6'2 and went 12 rounds with him , I know he mashed him the second fight but Stiveren was diagnosed with rhabdomyolyses out of the ring for 2 years, It was just about the cash ,
With all that said you could be in the shape of your life and Wilder could KO  you in 1 round, so its a very interesting fight ,

My opinion if it goes 12 Fury wins , unless of course its a case of Fury being knocked down multiple times and surveying 12,
Fury is just a better boxer than Wilder, he understand range and movement ,basically does the lot better than Wilder ,
The one issues is Wilder can land at anytime and KO you ,

I also think Wilder strength is his weakness , the higher up he has gone in terms of quality of opponent the more patient he has got but he still waits to land the right hand , He will let a lot of rounds slip by just waiting to get the right hand off against top guys,

He got away with it v Ortiz because he does the same thing he waits for a big shot, Fury is a total different style than he is used to but again Wilder's power and the fact it lasts deep into fights means he can win in any round if you miss one step boom its over,

Apparently Fury was made take this fight by MTK ( twitter )

Would make sense - he is nowhere near ready

yourdeadwright wrote: »

That's no surprise, you wont find many unbeaten fighter's who have been behind on the cards,
Ortiz is the only decent fighter he ever fought ,he had just moved 1 round up on all cards when he ko'd him which is no surprise as Ortiz tired due to age,


I think if it goes to scorecards Fury wins but its a huge IF to get there with Wilder ,

I reckon if Fury manages to last 12 it's due to him hugging and spoiling his way there, and in doing so losing a clear decision...

Fury on Instagram breaking down how he beats Wilder, the swinging bum.....

Jab and jab for several rds, then the overhand right and then tires Wilder in the late rds...

Ha ha of course he's going to talk about "knocking him spark out". He's hyping the fight and keeping with his persona, he's not going to put out a video saying "I'm going to jab and spoil and run away and clinch him for a boring decision" in fairness.

The vote at the moment is 19 to 18 in Wilder's favour but all 19 votes are for a ko (I voted this way myself).
Surely if Wilder is following Fury around the ring all night and being the aggressor he will get the American judges decision ?
As I said I voted for a KO but surprised a few haven't gone for Wilder on points.

Very interesting fight as so many question Marks about both guys ,
Is Fury fit , Is he as good as he thinks, Was the Wlad fight a one off or is he world class, Is Ben a good trainer, Is Fury in it for Cash or Legacy , Can he make Wilder miss , Does he hit hard enough to gain Wilder respect
Can Wilder make the set up. Can he out box fury, Can he deal with a proper big fight attention , Can he deal with a guy who clearly isn't afraid of him ,How does he deal with a bigger man , How does his chin fair ,
Its going be great to see it unfold, Fury clearly got under Wilders skin ,
I think Fury is clearly a bit of a head case so its near impossible for anyone to get into his head ,
Wilder was claiming Fury looked nervous but it was the other way Fury was just taking the p*ss enjoying himself ( it was cringe ) and he got to Wilder ,

Mookie Blaylock wrote: »

Reports matchroom have upped their offer to Wilder for a clash with AJ....
Might be more games being played as Eddie Hearn reckons Wilders team won't meet with them even though there's an updated offer on the table.... Wilder wants Fury first as a tune-up perhaps?

If Fury wins what happens , cause he won't fight AJ unless its 50/50 and he will go on about Aj being a coward and him doing the dirty work

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Very interesting fight as so many question Marks about both guys ,
Is Fury fit , Is he as good as he thinks, Was the Wlad fight a one off or is he world class, Is Ben a good trainer, Is Fury in it for Cash or Legacy , Can he make Wilder miss , Does he hit hard enough to gain Wilder respect
Can Wilder make the set up. Can he out box fury, Can he deal with a proper big fight attention , Can he deal with a guy who clearly isn't afraid of him ,How does he deal with a bigger man , How does his chin fair ,
Its going be great to see it unfold, Fury clearly got under Wilders skin ,
I think Fury is clearly a bit of a head case so its near impossible for anyone to get into his head ,
Wilder was claiming Fury looked nervous but it was the other way Fury was just taking the p*ss enjoying himself ( it was cringe ) and he got to Wilder ,

All good questions..

I have a sneaky feeling all the Fury fans and apologists will claim that he wasn't fit or ready even if he is knocked out in a rd or 2.

To be fair I think everyone and there dog knows he's taking the fight earlier than anyone expected and won't be in "WLAD SHAPE"  until next summer ,
Its his choice so you can't really knock him ,

walshb wrote: »

yourdeadwright wrote: »

To be fair I think everyone and there dog knows he's taking the fight earlier than anyone expected and won't be in "WLAD SHAPE"  until next summer ,
Its his choice so you can't really knock him ,

You are assuming a lot there....

I am going to a assume that he never gets into Wlad shape...unless maybe he goes on the juice again?

Anyway, the excuses are ready...

I don't think its an assumption its quite clear he isn't back In the shape he was before he walked away,
He has no excuses he took the fight, I don't understand the mentality of people making excuses for him, why would they its his life .,
I'm never invested in a boxer outside of a friend or family, I just want to see a good fight and the better man win , We can talk about what we think may happen and each's strengths and weakness but I don't understand why anyone would have to make excuses for a another man losing a boxing fight that they are not connected to ,

Morrison J wrote: »

Wilder to me fights like a guy who doesn't have much faith in his chin. Very upright and tentative. I'd be surprised if he starts the fight aggressive tbh. Ortiz had him very hesitant through the use of feints and the left hand counter. Wilder hardly threw a jab in that fight he was so worried about what would come back. Had Ortiz sweeping the first four rounds personally until Wilder landed a straight shot in the 5th and things flipped.

I do think Wilder will take the risk that Wlad couldn't though and throw caution to the wind late knowing he's behind on the cards. Could be a classic finish to this I think especially if Fury is tired which he more than likely will be given its only his 3rd fight back.

This is a great fight. Big question marks over both for different reasons. Really looking forward to it.

Good post.

Mainly because you must have seen some of Wilder's fights! Some of the posts here have me thinking these fellas have actually never seen a full Wilder fight! He is ultra-cautious in the early rounds! Surely people can't possibly miss that?

The pace of his fights are usually slow, because he is afraid of getting hit and the opposition are usually more cautious than normal due to Wilder's power. Because of this his fights are usually dull affairs besides the finish. I fully expect this to be a dull repeat of the Fury / Klitchko fight with Fury's feints and jab completely bamboozling Wilder.

Hopefully, the judges will reflect what happens in the ring. It is an American in America versus a non-American....