Deontay Wilder v Tyson Fury - December 1st

Morrison J · 02-10-2018 3:12pm #1

Really not confident about choosing a winner in this one. I'd take prime Fury with confidence but it might be a bit soon for this version. Sitting on the fence for now.

Can see the build up becoming a bit tiring but I can live with it when the fight is as good as this one. Circus started yesterday with the first press conference in London.

walshb · 02-10-2018 3:56pm

Wilder Points

Very choreographed all this...

I just hope the fight is real...

yourdeadwright · 02-10-2018 4:31pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Very choreographed all this...

I just hope the fight is real...

Course the fight will be real , why wouldn't it bizarre thing to say ,
Great to see top guys get in with each other, Going to be very very interesting fight to watch,
Wilder trying to land that right hand and Fury trying to frustrate him,
Fury is no mug he will try to get Wilder emotional involved , a patient Wilder is the most dangerous one Fury can fight he knows that, He will want Wilder telegraphing the right hands easiest way for that to happen is get him angry ,

walshb · 02-10-2018 4:57pm

Wilder Points

Nothing in pro boxing and big money and big promotion is bizarre....

There has just been something about their "animosity" that doesn't add up.....

yourdeadwright · 02-10-2018 5:07pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Nothing in pro boxing and big money and big promotion is bizarre....

There has just been something about their "animosity" that doesn't add up.....

Never seen you with the worry for one of AJ's fights ?
Maybe the like each other as people and are trying to sell a fight , hardly the first or last time that will happen in the fight game,
Wilder said himself yesterday its nice to work with a fighter that is flexible about things and if there are issue you can call and chat about them, I don't think they dislike each other at all ,

walshb · 02-10-2018 5:26pm

Wilder Points

Well, so far none of AJs fights and build ups have had me wondering/thinking...

None of Fury's or Wilder's previous fights had me thinking or wondering either.

This one? Something just a bit odd about it all....just a feeling.

Will it be a full on committal from both, or a bit of an arranged spar/dance?....

walshb · 02-10-2018 5:27pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Maybe the like each other as people and are trying to sell a fight , hardly the first or last time that will happen in the fight game,
Wilder said himself yesterday its nice to work with a fighter that is flexible about things and if there are issue you can call and chat about them, I don't think they dislike each other at all ,

But they are not acting as if they like each other.......it's kind of staged/forced animosity. I know, I know, this happens from time to time.....just a feeling is all.

yourdeadwright · 02-10-2018 5:29pm

Draw

walshb wrote: »

Well, so far none of AJs fights and build ups have had me wondering/thinking...

None of Fury's or Wilder's previous fights had me thinking or wondering either.

This one? Something just a bit odd about it all....just a feeling.

Will it be a full on committal from both, or a bit of an arranged spar/dance?....

Why on gods name would either of them not want to win ?
Wilder is the hardest hitter in boxing no chance you can play with that you'll end up in hospital, Plus no chance Wilder give's Fury the win and the money fight v AJ is gone
Its a fight and a massive one , just cause its Furyand not AJ your already trying to talk it down into some kinda circus ,

Morrison J · 02-10-2018 6:28pm

Wilder Points

There'll be shades of McGregor - Mayweather in the promotion of this without a doubt. Two guys who have no beef with each other forcing it a bit in order to help make it sell.

Doesn't bother me at all though in this instance tbh. It's a genuinely great fight. Both deserve a big pay day for taking such a massive risk when they didn't have to.

Fury deserves far more credit than he's getting for even taking this fight coming off two piss poor tune ups too. Absolutely no pressure on him to jump into a big fight straight away but the opportunity was there and he took it. Fair play to him, taking the riskiest fight possible.

walshb · 02-10-2018 7:30pm

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Why on gods name would either of them not want to win ?
Wilder is the hardest hitter in boxing no chance you can play with that you'll end up in hospital, Plus no chance Wilder give's Fury the win and the money fight v AJ is gone
Its a fight and a massive one , just cause its Furyand not AJ your already trying to talk it down into some kinda circus ,

Keep your knickers on...like I said it’s just a feeling as regards this particular fight.

Get over your AJ infatuation...

walshb · 02-10-2018 7:54pm

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

Fury deserves far more credit than he's getting for even taking this fight coming off two piss poor tune ups too. Absolutely no pressure on him to jump into a big fight straight away but the opportunity was there and he took it. Fair play to him, taking the riskiest fight possible.

Do you think that he may feel that this is as good as he’ll get? So kind of pressured into big money now? He looked dreadful in his comebacks...

The three years off and the drugs and all that may have really ruined any hope of Fury being at the 2015 level..

walshb · 02-10-2018 8:07pm

Wilder Points

I know he has to sell himself but listening to Fury in NY today saying how he’s never been better, never been as fast or explosive is utter bull..he musn’t have watched back the last two fights..

Littlehorny · 02-10-2018 8:15pm

Wilder Points

Morrison J wrote: »

There'll be shades of McGregor - Mayweather in the promotion of this without a doubt. Two guys who have no beef with each other forcing it a bit in order to help make it sell.

Doesn't bother me at all though in this instance tbh. It's a genuinely great fight. Both deserve a big pay day for taking such a massive risk when they didn't have to.

Fury deserves far more credit than he's getting for even taking this fight coming off two piss poor tune ups too. Absolutely no pressure on him to jump into a big fight straight away but the opportunity was there and he took it. Fair play to him, taking the riskiest fight possible.

Very good point regarding giving kudo's to Fury for taking the fight, wish more fighters took risks these days. He has looked terrible as you say. Hope the plan is not to stink out the joint but what other way can he do it?

Wilder is no master boxer but what he does have is a big arm span and he has decent hand speed so Fury will have to dodge all night. We all know Wilder has that big overhand right but he also has a good whipping left hook that may surprise Fury.

I think Wilder should also go to the body to give Fury something to think about and Fury must come in very fit as Wilder doesn't tire too badly and is always in shape.

Morrison J · 02-10-2018 8:29pm

Wilder Points

walshb wrote: »

Do you think that he may feel that this is as good as he’ll get? So kind of pressured into big money now? He looked dreadful in his comebacks...

The three years off and the drugs and all that may have really ruined any hope of Fury being at the 2015 level..

Hes definitely getting his best career pay day but I'd still imagine if he was purely cashing out then he'd do it in the biggest money fight possible ie Joshua. Instead he's going to the States to fight a guy who couldn't sell out Barclays in his last fight and has never appeared on PPV. Don't think this can be spun in any way other than Fury being ballsy as **** and backing himself. Think he genuinely sees weaknesses in Wilder (which we all can to be fair) and thinks it's a fight he'll win.

walshb · 02-10-2018 8:44pm

Wilder Points

Can we arrange the poll so we see how people have voted?

Southwest Alaska · 02-10-2018 9:31pm

Wilder Points

The supposedly 6 foot 9 Fury looks a shade shorter than the 6 foot 7 Wilder.

02-10-2018 9:33pm

Draw

I think Fury wins this if he can show his old form. The guy beat Klitschko without getting knocked down and toyed with for several rounds.

Wilder is a bit overated IMO. And Fury always written off.

normanoffside · 02-10-2018 9:36pm

Draw

Southwest Alaska wrote: »

The supposedly 6 foot 9 Fury looks a shade shorter than the 6 foot 7 Wilder.

People were saying the same with the Wlad presser but Fury looked way taller in the Ring.
Wilder probably was wearing some sort of elevated/thick soled shoes.

walshb · 02-10-2018 9:37pm

Wilder Points

Southwest Alaska wrote: »

The supposedly 6 foot 9 Fury looks a shade shorter than the 6 foot 7 Wilder.

Depends what angles...

I saw some where they looked same height and some where Fury looked an inch or two taller..

someyoke · 02-10-2018 9:44pm

Draw

Watched Wilder's last fight v Ortiz I think... Looked very average, outboxed waiting for the big shot which came. Fury at 75% of 2015 form will jab away all night. If he's regained some power he'll sap the energy from Wilder too. It's where Ortiz fell down.

Hoping the fury comeback really takes off from here. Think he'll win, he's a bit like Billy Joe Saunders in that he often looks average and only does enough against the bums, but is at the races for the big nights. His shape come fight night will tell a lot.

FTA69 · 02-10-2018 10:33pm

Draw

Fury is the greatest heavyweight of all time and will win this fight handily, I've seen it in a vision. He's 6/4 too for the straight win.

If the layoff hasn't affected him too much I think he'll do the business. And he'll sing us a lovely song afterward.

Mantis Toboggan · 02-10-2018 10:48pm

Draw

Prime Tyson (aka 2015 Fury) wins this on points easily. Its whether or not he still has it. Of course Wilder has dynamite fists so if he connects its lights out. Fascinating watch.

StringerBell · 03-10-2018 2:13am

Wilder Points

Fairly cringy stuff all round tbh, most annoying person is actually the moderater/host/presenter/whatever the **** that annoying fella is.

My simplistic take of the fight, Fury tries to avoid and box on the outside/spoil as much as he can. He will fail though, he won't manage to avoid Wilder. Wilder is too wild for want of a better word and I don't believe Fury has anything to back him up. At some point one of his ugly windmill punches will land and that will be all she wrote for Fury.

liamoreilly · 03-10-2018 5:31am

Wilder Points

...Really good to see this fight happening, 2 out of the big 3 so it'll be an event for sure...I hope Fury hasn't taken this fight too soon, and that he has shaken off th4 cobwebs...
...Already been a few posts here and in the heavyweight thread saying 2015 Fury wins this easily...That may or may not be true, but it's the 2018 Fury that is fight the 2018 Wilder... If fury wins then it'll be a great result considering the last 3 years, but if as I expect Wilder wins, I hope there isn't any "2015 Fury would have beaten him tonight"...

walshb · 03-10-2018 9:00am

Wilder Points

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Prime Tyson (aka 2015 Fury) wins this on points easily. Its whether or not he still has it. Of course Wilder has dynamite fists so if he connects its lights out. Fascinating watch.

What about 2015.....if Wilder connected then would it be lights out?

Just cannot get behind this take that Fury wins "easily".....

How does he win easily? Look at his career and who he has fought....

Even Wlad. Nothing easy there. Both dreadful and a dreadful display of boxing. Wlad being ridiculously cautious...

The way some talk about Fury you'd swear he was the greatest fighter that ever lived. Even in his prime he was caught, hurt and dropped by journeymen......made hard work of some of them

Yet he beats a 6 feet 7 inch KO artist easily...

walshb · 03-10-2018 9:01am

Wilder Points

pac_man wrote: »

The poll is public so you should be able to see how people have voted. Can you see it now?

Yes, sorry. I didn't think to click on the figures in the poll

Thanks.

yourdeadwright · 03-10-2018 9:59am

Draw

All depends how fit Fury is, I think Fury 2015 wins handy , Also a big issue for Fury may be his coach, Ben isn't in the same world as Peter,
Of course Wilder can KO him he can KO anyone but Fury is right Wilder has not fought anyone,
Ortiz is the only decent heavy weigh he has ever fought and he got put on his bum and struggled badly against a very old Ortiz, I really rate Ortiz but he is just to old to keep up with the younger men late in fights,
Props to both men for taking the fight and its a hard one to call and really looking forward to it,

yourdeadwright · 03-10-2018 10:24am

Draw

I can never understand anyone talking down Fury win v Wlad
He beat the very very best at the time who was unbeaten in 10 years in his own back yard, So what if he didn't do it in a style to please some people, He had a job to do an he done it, Wlad was scared stiff of him and Tyson won fairly handy in the end didn't one judge have it 116-111 job done others 115-112 ,That was in Germany no one came close to that before him ,
Also Wilder he has fought one live fight in Ortiz and struggled .
In my opinion Fury has fought 3 guys at Ortiz Level or above Hammer, Chisora and Wlad and beat them all easy enough ,
I know Ortiz is more skilled than Hammer or Chisora but lets not forget Ortiz is about 50 years old so he tire's badly if you get him into the second part of a fight, So I think in terms of a fight difficulty he's level with them
I think props should be given to both men for taking the fight, its going to be very interesting,
My prediction is 65% Wilder KO or 35 % Fury on the cards , Wilder with the advantage as he still holds power late on so Fury will need to hurt him to take him the full 12 ,

yourdeadwright · 03-10-2018 11:05am

Draw

pac_man wrote: »

Is Fury going to get a fair deal if this goes to the scorecards? Negative style, and non-american fighter, I think it's a uphill struggle.

I just can't accept that after two Mickey mouse warm ups and a trainer that's on work experience, that Tyson will be the same fighter from a few years ago. I don't rate Wilder but i'd have to go with him on this current version of Fury.

Yep this is a huge fight for Ben, It oculd make or break him as a real coach,
Just on Fury warm up they where pretty poor but Pianeta is the type of guy Wilder has fought 95 % of the time in his pro fights

yourdeadwright · 03-10-2018 11:05am

Draw

pac_man wrote: »

Is Fury going to get a fair deal if this goes to the scorecards? Negative style, and non-american fighter, I think it's a uphill struggle.

I just can't accept that after two Mickey mouse warm ups and a trainer that's on work experience, that Tyson will be the same fighter from a few years ago. I don't rate Wilder but i'd have to go with him on this current version of Fury.

Yep this is a huge fight for Ben, It oculd make or break him as a real coach,
Just on Fury warm up they where pretty poor but Pianeta is the type of guy Wilder has fought 95 % of the time in his pro fights

walshb · 03-10-2018 11:18am

Wilder Points

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Yep this is a huge fight for Ben, It oculd make or break him as a real coach,
Just on Fury warm up they where pretty poor but Pianeta is the type of guy Wilder has fought 95 % of the time in his pro fights

Yes, that is true, Fury's opposition has been very poor for most his career...

The point that is more specific is not so much who he is fighting, but how he is performing in the fights...

His last two showed a real lethargic and ponderous looking Fury. I have seen him far sharper.

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