Steorn .. is it still around ?

Professor_Fink · 20-08-2009 8:08pm

They're claiming to have a perpetual motion machine. In that context giving them the benefit of the doubt could easily be taken to mean assuming that they are merely incompetent rather than actually fraudulent.

thebman · 21-08-2009 12:56am

Professor_Fink wrote: »

They're claiming to have a perpetual motion machine. In that context giving them the benefit of the doubt could easily be taken to mean assuming that they are merely incompetent rather than actually fraudulent.

Well yeah that would be roughly what I meant by benefit of the doubt

Initially at least they just claimed they didn't know what they'd done and it looked like perpetual motion to them.

zod · 17-09-2009 11:51pm

http://www.paulstory.com/2009/09/christmas-is-coming.html

thebman · 18-09-2009 12:25am

zod wrote: »

http://www.paulstory.com/2009/09/christmas-is-coming.html

huh, that blog seems to be full of arguments but with no consensus.

All we really need to know is are they on to something or is this just junk.

It seems it is junk but if there is more to it the we need evidence/proof.

It seems that the lack of proof over such a prolonged period basically concedes that this is nonsense. Please Steorn, show us we are wrong

Capt'n Midnight · 18-09-2009 1:05am

Considering the number of ways of trasmitting energy remotely, it should be a cinch to produce a box that is powered remotely. You have the full rf spectrum solar power to microwaves (infra red laser sounds good). You could use magnetic induction, You could even try to hide a radio isotope generator in the box. Even a small turbine could sneak power from a draft. You could fill the box with something that could be oxidised , zinc-air batteries have been around a long time.

Professor_Fink · 18-09-2009 2:49am

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Considering the number of ways of trasmitting energy remotely, it should be a cinch to produce a box that is powered remotely. You have the full rf spectrum solar power to microwaves (infra red laser sounds good). You could use magnetic induction, You could even try to hide a radio isotope generator in the box. Even a small turbine could sneak power from a draft. You could fill the box with something that could be oxidised , zinc-air batteries have been around a long time.

Stick it in a superconducting draft excluding box with a bubble chamber!

zod · 18-09-2009 3:09pm

thebman wrote: »

huh, that blog seems to be full of arguments but with no consensus.

taken from : http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=61927&page=2

Steorn : Commecialization has already started - its been in progress since Feb of this year, public launch of Orbo will be this winter.

Steorn : Its been fun being back, for what its worth Orbo is what we say it is, but then why or how would you know that - so enjoy the ride.

Forum Member : Sean, will you be demonstrating a working, self-sustaining device at the launch?

Steorn : Yep

Forum Member : Sean - do you have working perpetual motion machine / free energy device (whatever you want to call it)?

Steorn: We do

Forum Member : How long has your machine be running and what is the maximum output achieved?

Steorn : We run different devices for differnt periods of time.

Capt'n Midnight · 18-09-2009 5:10pm

Meanwhile William Crookes had this back in 1873 :pac:

zod · 25-09-2009 3:07pm

Taken from : http://www.freeenergytimes.com/?p=62

I was very pleased that Sean McCarthy was willing to answer the questions I put to him earlier this week. I think we have a clearer picture of what to expect from Steorn if we take Sean’s statements at face value.
Here is a summary of key information that I got from the information provided in the Q&A session.
1. Sometime this year (2009) Steorn will publicly demonstrate via live video on their web site more than one Orbo-powered devices
2. The primary purpose of the demonstrations will be to attract the interest of individuals and companies who want to develop Orbo-powered products.
3. To become an Orbo product developer you will have to pay a “low-cost” license to Steorn.
4. ZeroF passive magnetic bearings, a technology Steorn has developed, are key ingredients for successful implementation of Orbo. Steorn will be selling these bearings.
5. “Every single part of an Orbo interaction can be explained using classical physics, except the net result”
6. ”There are no theoretical limits” to the power output of Orbo technology. Theoretically, it can be used in any application that now requires power. The practical limits will be determined by levels of engineering.
7. Orbo can be engineered directly into devices: they will not be dependent on the grid.
These claims are very intriguing, and highly controversial. Sean did say that he understood the widespread levels of skepticism, and it looks like the launch of Orbo will be largely a campaign to show that their technology is for real. I think the latter end of 2009 could prove to be very interesting.

Professor_Fink · 26-09-2009 1:41pm

Oh, not this nonsense again.

To quote Sir Arthur Eddington: "If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell's equations — then so much the worse for Maxwell's equations. If it is found to be contradicted by observation — well, these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes. But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation."

zod wrote: »

1. Sometime this year (2009) Steorn will publicly demonstrate via live video on their web site more than one Orbo-powered devices

Like the previous failure?

zod wrote: »

2. The primary purpose of the demonstrations will be to attract the interest of individuals and companies who want to develop Orbo-powered products.
3. To become an Orbo product developer you will have to pay a “low-cost” license to Steorn.

So now the penny drops.

zod wrote: »

4. ZeroF passive magnetic bearings, a technology Steorn has developed, are key ingredients for successful implementation of Orbo. Steorn will be selling these bearings.

I assume ZeroF is supposed to mean zero friction. Oh, dear. Surely they have heard of induction and eddy currents.

zod wrote: »

5. “Every single part of an Orbo interaction can be explained using classical physics, except the net result”

Now, if we understand the physics behind every part of it, then we can predict the outcome. Here he's saying we can not predict the outcome, but yet understand all the physics. The statement isn't even logically consistent.

zod wrote: »

6. ”There are no theoretical limits” to the power output of Orbo technology. Theoretically, it can be used in any application that now requires power. The practical limits will be determined by levels of engineering.

No theoretical limits, eh? Well even if you don't accept E^ = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2, surely we can at least agree that the speed of light is constant. In this case if you up the output enough, you would necessarily create a blackhole.
Not to mention the face that any device would melt long before this happens.

Professor_Fink · 26-09-2009 1:47pm

Oh, another quote: "Nothing in life is certain except death, taxes and the second law of thermodynamics." Form Seth Lloyd.

zod · 02-10-2009 2:19pm

http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2009/10/steorn-talk-limerick-institute-of.html

Steorn re-iterated that the launch will be before the end of the year and will once and for all be a visual demo of the Orbo principle. Can we hold our collective judgement until that day?

Just a few weeks guys, youve wanted a second demo and it is comming.:-)

thirtythirty · 03-11-2009 5:21pm

zod wrote: »

Taken from : http://www.freeenergytimes.com/?p=62

3. To become an Orbo product developer you will have to pay a “low-cost” license to Steorn.
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AH! Now the whole thing makes sense to me. They're essentially a 21st century carnival scam.

Also "free energy" sounds kind of ironic now doesnt it!

Azelfafage · 03-11-2009 6:12pm

Engiish steam train designers discovered the Second law of Thermonydamics in the 19th century.

If Steorn gets a train to go faster than the energy supplied by the fuel I might begin to believe them.

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Capt'n Midnight · 04-11-2009 1:39am

Professor_Fink wrote: »

I assume ZeroF is supposed to mean zero friction. Oh, dear. Surely they have heard of induction and eddy currents.

Leonce Bourdelles invented the mercury float back in 1890. Meant you could have a couple of tonnes of lenses and stuff in a lighthouse rotate with negligable losses.

Anyway the real point is if the device can generate power then it should be easily be able to overcome the tiny amount of friction in current bearings.

Can't remember where I heard it but the cost of electricity for a monorail would be 1/3 of the overall cost. So even with free energy it would still cost a lot to operate.

In some of the pound shops you can buy a solar powered key ring, panel is 20-40mA , 3.7V lithium coin cell to store the charge. Steorn can't hope to compete on price at the ultra low power level.

At a guess a fancy mobile phone uses 100mAhr per day , the problem being it would get nicked if you left it somewhere sunny

Since most people have them this would be a perfect target for a working technology.

Azelfafage · 07-11-2009 6:58pm

If they reverse the way the planets orbit the sun I might begin to believe them.
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Azelfafage · 07-11-2009 7:25pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Meanwhile William Crookes had this back in 1873 :pac:

Well..............Capt,Midnight.

That gave the Irishman Romney Robinson the idea of how measure Wind Speed.

Romney Robnison of the Armagh Observatory invented the "Anenometer".

(Armagh has no train station today because Romney Robinson said that trains would shake his telescopes in Armagh Observatory.)

The 12 Speed wind scale is due to another Irishman.

Beaufort.

zod · 17-11-2009 10:24am

Steorn closes forum in anticipation of launch

http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=62211&page=1#Item_0

gpjordanf1 · 17-11-2009 10:32am

zod wrote: »

Steorn closes forum in anticipation of launch

http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=62211&page=1#Item_0

It is as advised a 2009 launch, so not long to go now surely?

Will people be eating humble pie or saying told you so?

I really hope these guys do it, they have taken some abuse from around the world, but the way they approached this I suppose they invited it.

Anyway goodluck Stoern.

17-11-2009 1:28pm

I dont understand why they would need to close the forum in advance of any launch!
If they are worried about being hit hard with newbies then just turn off new registrations.

Capt'n Midnight · 17-11-2009 4:22pm

http://stjury.ning.com/events/speculation-1 this is still open

You can get energy from hydroelectric dams for "free" but they still cost money to make. And they have a very low energy density.

Have steorn given any indication of the power levels or costs involved ?

A nice way to fake a free energy source would be to get a radioactive isotope that emits low energy alpha or beta particles to provide the power, shielding is very easy. Henry Moseley did it before WWI back in 1913.

Maybe they got some of Tesla's stuff working , who knows ?

But it would be nice to get some costs.
Even if the energy is free forever, the constraint would be the design life of the unit / total amount of power generated during that time.

Azelfafage · 17-11-2009 8:59pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

http://stjury.ning.com/events/speculation-1 this is still open

You can get energy from hydroelectric dams for "free" but they still cost money to make.

Steorn claim to defy the Second Law of Thernodymics.

The Law of Entropy.

Richard Tolman pointed out in 1934 that this is an unbreakable law.

Modern Physicists are no better than Steorn.

The universe is running down.

Steorn .. is it still around ?

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