Farmers 'could be given licences to grow cannabis

drunkmonkey · 23-01-2019 12:51pm

TheMilkyPirate wrote: »

You can grow it outdoors here yes. But it will be useless bush weed and your yields will be terrible. There's a reason that even in the countrys that have the correct climate for it the majority is still grown in grow houses.

You've more control in a greenhouse and easier get a lot higher yields. Your completely wrong on the majority of it growing outdoors. It grows fine here and is far from bush weed.
It all depends on what specification the Government lay down for its cultivation, what pesticides etc.

neris · 23-01-2019 12:53pm

We have a friend growing it over in Lithuania not far outside Vilnius on his farm. However its only hemp at the moment as the requirements to get it turned into medical or food grade cannabis requires a lot of testing. Also the stuff growing doesnt have the stuff in it that gets you high. Its the same with the medical stuff been grown in Canada and the USA. One of the big growers in Canada is buying up thousands of acres in the baltics and poland to grow aswell so if they can do it no reason we cant do it here once its properly monitored and security is in place.

TheMilkyPirate · 23-01-2019 12:53pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You've more control in a greenhouse and easier get a lot higher yields. Your completely wrong on the majority of it growing outdoors. It grows fine here and is far from bush weed.
It all depends on what specification the Government lay down for its cultivation, what pesticides etc.

I'm not completely wrong. She me a grow done outdoors here that would be of good enough quality for a dispensary or for medicinal use.

endainoz · 23-01-2019 1:00pm

keepalive213 wrote:

Can you post a link to one of these fantastic seeds, strains so suited to our Irish climate or do you just automatically believe what you hear? Have the guards ever discovered anyone here in Ireland growing it outside?

That's possibly against the rules, but a quick search on Google for 'white skunk automatic outdoor' will show you that it is indeed possible. Indoor will always give a better yield of course, but outdoor growing is a thing in Ireland. Being a skeptic saying no flowering possible is simply not true.

Over the last ten years or so hybrid strains have been developed that are resistant to harsher climates, that being said, sunlight is still needed for them to flower like pretty much all things that grow on Earth.

Could this stuff be good enough for medical use? I'm not sure really, I'd imagine it could from an organic sense but I'm not a horticulturist.

jh79 · 23-01-2019 1:00pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You've more control in a greenhouse and easier get a lot higher yields. Your completely wrong on the majority of it growing outdoors. It grows fine here and is far from bush weed.
It all depends on what specification the Government lay down for its cultivation, what pesticides etc.

They'll have to adhere to GMP standards and will face the same regulations and therefore the same logistical hurdles as a pharma company. It's a very expensive process and would require lots of initial capital investment

This link shows a Cert of Analysis for Bedrocan. One of these would be required for every single batch produced. If the batch doesn't meet any one of the specifications it wouldn't be allowed on the market. If batches regularly failed to meet the specs they would lose the licence for not having full control over the process.

https://english.cannabisbureau.nl/doctor-and-pharmacists/documents/release-certificates-cannabis-flos-bedrocan/2019/01/21/18i10ey18k13

endainoz · 23-01-2019 1:02pm

keepalive213 wrote:

If growing outside was possible / feasible the guards would be regularly finding grow sites. They're not. And..... Unfollow

You either tried and failed to grow outdoors or your incredibly naiive, plenty of outdoor growing in Ireland!

jh79 · 23-01-2019 1:03pm

Here is a very brief description of the process from the Bedrocan website.

https://bedrocan.com/about-us/our-method/

Gawddawggonnit · 23-01-2019 1:06pm

I grow a share of hemp for fibre, seed and CBD oil.

THC is the psychoactive in dope but hemp doesn’t have any. It does however have CBD.
I’m doubting that Harris etc would even dream of allowing the normal cannabis to be grown.
Hemp does need hot weather to reach its potential.

Cops do keep a close eye on it as locals could hide some THC producing plants in the middle of the hemp because it looks exactly the same...
More often planted in the middle of maize fields so as to benefit from irrigation.

TheMilkyPirate · 23-01-2019 1:08pm

endainoz wrote: »

You either tried and failed to grow outdoors or your incredibly naiive, plenty of outdoor growing in Ireland!

Plenty? Where? Have you any pictures of the buds? Are they of sufficient quality?

endainoz · 23-01-2019 1:11pm

TheMilkyPirate wrote:

Plenty? Where? Have you any pictures of the buds? Are they of sufficient quality?

Oh yeah what a great idea, let's post on a public website where people are growing something illegally!

TheMilkyPirate · 23-01-2019 1:13pm

endainoz wrote: »

Oh yeah what a great idea, let's post on a public website where people are growing something illegally!

So no then.

endainoz · 23-01-2019 1:27pm

TheMilkyPirate wrote:

So no then.

Would you like their names and addresses as well? I'm not going to post stuff that probably wouldn't be allowed by moderators, I doubt posting anything would change your mind either way, your not going to see someone taking a selfie with their crop like...

TheMilkyPirate · 23-01-2019 1:50pm

endainoz wrote: »

Would you like their names and addresses as well? I'm not going to post stuff that probably wouldn't be allowed by moderators, I doubt posting anything would change your mind either way, your not going to see someone taking a selfie with their crop like...

PM me instead so. You don't know any outdoor crops in Ireland that are of the same or even similar quality to an indoor grow because it isn't possible. Some people will argue it's not even possible in any country nevermind one that is severely lacking in vitamin d like Ireland.

_Brian · 23-01-2019 2:34pm

Honestly, this is Ireland.

Do people think these licences would be given to ordinary farmers if there is big profit in it.

Larry et al wouldn’t have it shown up before the ink on the legislation was dry.

davidk1394 · 23-01-2019 3:13pm

Grew hemp here in 2008 as a trial plot. 5 acres in total. Can’t rember the variety or breed. All I knew was there was no point smoking it. It grew to about 6.5 ft tall or a bit more. Sowed it using a standard one pass, no fertilizer. Knocked it baled it and sold it to a local Camp hill center for heating. The year after we set maize in the entire field. Where the hemp grew the year previously the maize on that side was 10/15 cms higher than where the hemp wasn’t grown..

_Brian · 23-01-2019 3:20pm

davidk1394 wrote: »

Grew hemp here in 2008 as a trial plot. 5 acres in total. Can’t rember the variety or breed. All I knew was there was no point smoking it. It grew to about 6.5 ft tall or a bit more. Sowed it using a standard one pass, no fertilizer. Knocked it baled it and sold it to a local Camp hill center for heating. The year after we set maize in the entire field. Where the hemp grew the year previously the maize on that side was 10/15 cms higher than where the hemp wasn’t grown..

Baled green or dried ??
Would it be any good for bedding ??

Would it have fixed nitrogen through the roots, is that why the following crop grew better ?

davidk1394 · 23-01-2019 3:22pm

_Brian wrote: »

Baled green or dried ??
Would it be any good for bedding ??

Would it have fixed nitrogen through the roots, is that why the following crop grew better ?

Baled dry with a round baler. I think it was knocked using a ring roller. From my memory it was dusty once baled. Never used it for bedding but I’d say it’s the same as pea straw

tricky D · 23-01-2019 4:23pm

It is doable to grow outdoors but with all the vagaries your yields will tend to be poor. We just do not have the light and heat to get good vegetative growth but flowering occurs just like everywhere else ie. when the daylight goes less than around 12 hours depending on strain. Also, while hardy, the plants are still prone to pests: scale, whitefly... These stressors can make the plant go hermaphrodite which halts the flowering which is not wanted. The seeds from these are always female which is a small bonus if this happens.

The main reasons for not growing outdoors are quality control as TMP alludes to, but also if the female gets exposed to pollen (male and the enemy of growers) your flowering stops, so bad buds. Game Over!

I have grown in the past and had a small involvement in the then non-viable Hemp Ireland about 20 years ago (only demand was for horse bedding at the time).

GinAndBitter · 23-01-2019 6:52pm

It can defo be grown outdoors here there is no question of that, I've had friends that had a plant or two in their back gardens in Dublin. Decent yield but i can't vouch for the quality of it because I didn't sample the goods myself.

One of the plants was a cheese.

drunkmonkey · 23-01-2019 7:07pm

tricky D wrote: »

I have grown in the past and had a small involvement in the then non-viable Hemp Ireland about 20 years ago (only demand was for horse bedding at the time).

I've read to make a decent income from the CBD oil you need 50 acers dedicated to it. Do you know what scale the guys are doing it here. Some of them seem to have other things going on like cheese etc.

tricky D · 23-01-2019 7:20pm

The Hemp Ireland I refer to folded almost 20 years ago.

keepalive213 · 23-01-2019 8:15pm

Legalize, regulate, grow, (inside of course) tax.
More revenue for the country / farmers, free up Gardai for other applications, cut down on criminals revenue.
Its a no brainer.

mf240 · 23-01-2019 10:00pm

Will we hear farmers in marts up and down the country discussing the price of hash. And will the ifa have to get a couple of cents on every deal.

feartuath · 23-01-2019 11:00pm

What would happen if any cattle broke in and proceeded to eat it.

Ultimate Seduction · 23-01-2019 11:03pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No all year round but yes. We have enough time for 2 harvests depending on the summer. The further west and south the better.

We already grow hemp and it's 1st cousin Hops.

2 harvests of quality bud in one summer, in Ireland? Dream on . Even the hardiest of strains and autoflower strains don't grow properly Here. Not enough sunshine and too damp! You'll get buds alright but may as well be nettles you grow.

drunkmonkey · 23-01-2019 11:43pm

feartuath wrote: »

What would happen if any cattle broke in and proceeded to eat it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncKaQLdPiZE

keepalive213 · 23-01-2019 11:51pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

2 harvests of quality bud in one summer, in Ireland? Dream on . Even the hardiest of strains and autoflower strains don't grow properly Here. Not enough sunshine and too damp! You'll get buds alright but may as well be nettles you grow.

Ah but sure my neighbours brother knows someone who does it....

gozunda · 24-01-2019 12:58am

This from wiki on cultivation requirements

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The optimal day temperature range for cannabis is 24 to 30 °C . Temperatures above 31 °C and below 15.5 °C seem to decrease THC potency and slow growth. At 13 °C the plant undergoes a mild shock, though some strains withstand frost temporarily.
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To generate optimum quantities of THC-containing resin, the plant needs a fertile soil and long hours of daylight. This means THC production for outdoor growth occurs optimally anywhere within 35° of the equator. Typical growing regions include Mexico, Nepal, Northern India, many parts of Africa, Afghanistan, the United States and Australia...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_cultivation

For commercial cultivation outdoors in Ireland that's a no...

Ultimate Seduction · 24-01-2019 1:11am

gozunda wrote: »

This from wiki on cultivation requirements

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_cultivation

For commercial cultivation outdoors in Ireland that's a no...

Ive tried it for about 6 summers with multiple different strains, even during the long hot summer of 2013, no good.

Stonewall Jackson · 24-01-2019 7:16am

This thread is giving Guerilla growers all around the country a good laugh.

Farmers 'could be given licences to grow cannabis

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