Winter 20/21 - General Discussion

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 10:21am

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

If we be pedantic, then considering that the warmest 91 day period in Ireland, on average, is mid-June and mid - September, then that is what the true summer period is. For me, November is a real Autumn month, and while I appreciate that it can be dark and gloomy, this is only because we are just out of summer/early Autumn where long evenings are still fresh in our minds. Today, for example, will have about the same daylight length as a day in very late Jan or early Feb, but by then, we'll already be commenting on how the evenings are beginning to stretch out at last.

What I don't understand is how Feb and March can be classed as 'spring months', even in the old calendar. These two months are amongst the most brutish and grim of the year where death and despair is all encompassing, and I sometimes question whether April should be even classed as a spring month as well, given that there does be little sign of nature springing into life during it and often contains a chill that wouldn't be even felt in the winter.

Things start growing in late Feb and in March they SPRING up …. Grass starts growing. lambs..... snowdrops....

You sound depressed ….

All weathers have their good and harder aspects... never knew a country worse than the UK for talking about the weather until I came to Ireland!
Just so glad to be still alive myself whatever the weather

compsys · 13-11-2020 11:29am

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

If we be pedantic, then considering that the warmest 91 day period in Ireland, on average, is mid-June and mid - September, then that is what the true summer period is. For me, November is a real Autumn month, and while I appreciate that it can be dark and gloomy, this is only because we are just out of summer/early Autumn where long evenings are still fresh in our minds. Today, for example, will have about the same daylight length as a day in very late Jan or early Feb, but by then, we'll already be commenting on how the evenings are beginning to stretch out at last.

What I don't understand is how Feb and March can be classed as 'spring months', even in the old calendar. These two months are amongst the most brutish and grim of the year where death and despair is all encompassing, and I sometimes question whether April should be even classed as a spring month as well, given that there does be little sign of nature springing into life during it and often contains a chill that wouldn't be even felt in the winter.

In the US, meteorological summer is actually defined as mid June to mid September AFAIK.

Oneiric 3 · 13-11-2020 3:03pm

Graces7 wrote: »

You sound depressed ….

I sound how I see it...

Of course every month has its own beauty, but the claim that Feb and March is 'spring' I just find obscene. Maybe that is down to me living in a particularly bleak part of the country or something, but that's how I see it.

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 3:49pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

I sound how I see it...

Of course every month has its own beauty, but the claim that Feb and March is 'spring' I just find obscene. Maybe that is down to me living in a particularly bleak part of the country or something, but that's how I see it.

That is a terribly inappropriate word. So sorry you feel like that. Where I live is bleak too but by February the daylight is growing and that is Spring in itself. And it is a reality... that lengthening of each day.

Cluedo Monopoly · 13-11-2020 4:18pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

If we be pedantic, then considering that the warmest 91 day period in Ireland, on average, is mid-June and mid - September, then that is what the true summer period is. For me, November is a real Autumn month, and while I appreciate that it can be dark and gloomy, this is only because we are just out of summer/early Autumn where long evenings are still fresh in our minds. Today, for example, will have about the same daylight length as a day in very late Jan or early Feb, but by then, we'll already be commenting on how the evenings are beginning to stretch out at last.

What I don't understand is how Feb and March can be classed as 'spring months', even in the old calendar. These two months are amongst the most brutish and grim of the year where death and despair is all encompassing, and I sometimes question whether April should be even classed as a spring month as well, given that there does be little sign of nature springing into life during it and often contains a chill that wouldn't be even felt in the winter.

I agree with this. The sea temperatures are also at their most brutal in February/March.

Thelonious Monk · 13-11-2020 4:27pm

This november must be the most autumnal november I can remember. Look outside, leaves everywhere. How anyone can call this winter is just ridiculous. Stop it.

monty_python · 13-11-2020 4:38pm

So are we getting snow or wha?

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 4:42pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

This november must be the most autumnal november I can remember. Look outside, leaves everywhere. How anyone can call this winter is just ridiculous. Stop it.

Will NOT! Out here not a leaf.

November is WINTER! lol....Always has been and always will be!

West Mayo offshore

Loughc · 13-11-2020 6:14pm

monty_python wrote: »

So are we getting snow or wha?

Nah not in Winter.

Maybe in Spring 2021.

Oneiric 3 · 13-11-2020 6:27pm

Graces7 wrote: »

November is WINTER!

I'm sorry Grace, but November is not Winter. Winter (Meteorlogical) is defined by temperature, not daylight length.

Reversal · 13-11-2020 7:03pm

Surely we can just stick with meteorological winter in the meteorology forum?

daniel_t1409 · 13-11-2020 7:15pm

ok lets stop the arguing about which month is which aeason.

This morning in wexford was nice - sunny and cold - but now its back to wind and rain:rolleyes:

Absolutely dreadful month so far, just as bad if not worse than summer:rolleyes:

fineso.mom · 13-11-2020 10:17pm

Graces7 wrote: »

Will NOT! Out here not a leaf.

November is WINTER! lol....Always has been and always will be!

West Mayo offshore

You've said numerous times that there are no trees on your island so of course there are no leaves. There are plenty of trees still full of leaves all around the country.

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 10:25pm

Oneiric 3 wrote: »

I'm sorry Grace, :eek: but November is not Winter. Winter (Meteorlogical) is defined by temperature, not daylight length.

But I am not a meteorologist and thus no obligation even on the weather forum to abide by that.

November is winter; has been for the nearly 80 years of my life and will be for whatever rapidly shortening life I have left.

I don't mind what you call November.

But please stop reprimanding others for differing! It serves no purpose .

Not checked further posts but I could forecast the IDs of the line of thanks here and it makes for incredible sadness.

There are abundant tech threads.

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 10:26pm

fineso.mom wrote: »

You've said numerous times that there are no trees on your island so of course there are no leaves. There are plenty of trees still full of leaves all around the country.

Good evening, my dear. Hope you are well.

Gonzo · 13-11-2020 10:26pm

first chance of wintry precipitation could be next Saturday, however this is very likely to not verify as zonal wintryness usually get's downgraded to cold rain by the time it happens.

This is basically a sleet/snow to rain event, but this will probably be gone on the next run, however it is the first chart to show wintry potential this season.

mcburns07 · 13-11-2020 10:30pm

Graces7 wrote: »

But I am not a meteorologist and thus no obligation even on the weather forum to abide by that.

November is winter; has been for the nearly 80 years of my life and will be for whatever rapidly shortening life I have left.

I don't mind what you call November.

But please stop reprimanding others for differing! It serves no purpose .

Not checked further posts but I could forecast the IDs of the line of thanks here and it makes for incredible sadness.

There are abundant tech threads.

:pac::pac::pac::pac: FFS - Incredible sadness due to other people disagreeing with you that November is winter. You're an interesting character Grace, i'll give you that much.

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 10:31pm

As wild a winter's night as ever was.

Deeply thankful for the small lull yesterday that made a window for the shopping to get here as seeing the warnings now.

Deluges loudening on the windows.

West Mayo offshore

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 10:39pm

mcburns07 wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac: FFS - Incredible sadness due to other people disagreeing with you that November is winter. You're an interesting character Grace, i'll give you that much.

No; that so many continue to …. make such a thing of it.. Everyone knows we differ on this, and the combativeness makes me literally weep.

I do not mind that others think differently. At all. . As I have said many of us are not bound by meteorological terms. And to mention " winter" in November becomes a red rag to a bull.

So please; stop! Just stop! Realise that we differ.

Life is so hard just now. Too hard. Let there be peace and enjoyment of what we share. Thank you.

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 11:04pm

Reversal wrote: »

Surely we can just stick with meteorological winter in the meteorology forum?

But it is the weather forum... Not the meteorology forum. So many deep and lovely posts on it all too. Has been an awesome discussion! It really has

Cluedo Monopoly · 13-11-2020 11:07pm

Graces7 · 13-11-2020 11:10pm

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

ah thank you! Just now the wind here is making such lovely music so will save this for later

"under the weather" here in several senses so signing out and will try to keep weblog going. Be safe all.

mcburns07 · 13-11-2020 11:47pm

Graces7 wrote: »

ah thank you! Just now the wind here is making such lovely music so will save this for later

"under the weather" here in several senses so signing out and will try to keep weblog going. Be safe all.

Speak tomorrow

Kermit.de.frog · 13-11-2020 11:50pm

@Gonzo - definitely a period to watch with frontal zones coming up against cold air that should become reasonably embedded for a time from the north - it depends on orientation and how this interaction takes place but there are at least a couple of opportunities emerging but we need a few days yet to try nail anything down with the forecast. We'll see.

162-7UK.GIF?13-18

RobertKK · 13-11-2020 11:56pm

Last year there was snow on the 13th November.
A pic came up on my phone from a year ago and it was a decent dusting.

daniel_t1409 · 14-11-2020 12:01pm

Another dull day here in wexford. Fed up with this. As per usual the south east gets the worst of it

geminiman63 · 14-11-2020 1:22pm

Morning was ok in Wexford, plenty of people walking on Cullenstown strand, even 6 people having a dip in the sea :pac: ,
Weather is a bit rubbish now though, rain hopping off the window :pac:

Gaoth Laidir · 14-11-2020 2:40pm

This is the Science forum, so scientific facts rule. Yes, we've all been taught about what seasons are but there are so many types of seasons to define: meteorological, astronomical, phenological, religious, etc. Some countries have more than four seasons, some less. In Ireland we are all correct in our definitions, but for this forum, meteorological seasons are what count. In the astronomy forum, it's astronomical, in Farming it's different, in Gardening too.

So let's finally drop the annual debate in this forum and accept that everyone is looking at the word "season" differently, but in here it should be meteorological and that's it.

highdef · 14-11-2020 3:23pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

This is the Science forum, so scientific facts rule. Yes, we've all been taught about what seasons are but there are so many types of seasons to define: meteorological, astronomical, phenological, religious, etc. Some countries have more than four seasons, some less. In Ireland we are all correct in our definitions, but for this forum, meteorological seasons are what count. In the astronomy forum, it's astronomical, in Farming it's different, in Gardening too.

So let's finally drop the annual debate in this forum and accept that everyone is looking at the word "season" differently, but in here it should be meteorological and that's it.

Here here! I was taught the pagan/celtic calendar but I go by the scientific calendar, as per this section of Boards.

Even if my personal belief was still the pagan/celtic calendar, I would have respect for others here and use the scientific calendar and not try insist that my pagan/calendar is factually true in discussions that are held in this section of Boards.

There's a Christianity section of Boards where people can discuss such matters there. Whilst the posters there may say that winter is November to January and I completely disagree, I respect their beliefs and I don't post in that forum insisting that I am correct and they are completely wrong. It would be extremely disrespectful and rude of me to try force my own beliefs on others in such a manner in that sort of forum.

CountNjord · 14-11-2020 5:36pm

As an horticulturist I don't be bothered with the seasons much apart from the Dormant season and the growing season...
I'm also a pagan so I just go by the day thats ahead of me.
It could be may and it feels wintery, December and it feels balmy.

I've worked outside since I was a kid, and it's a different experience and way of living from people indoors.
I know every tree and shrub personally in the estate.

I love the weather forum, but arguing over the start of a season to me is foreign

Winter 20/21 - General Discussion

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