Vegan Billboards from around the world.

Worztron wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/bby9k7/belfast_north_of_ireland/

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Belfast
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=477590&d=1555013365

Em I'm definitely of the opinion that is the same photo tbh...

Not sure what gives it away

davidjtaylor wrote: »

:D

Ah another (non) contributor who believes others should be silenced

*waves*

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Galway
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=477698&d=1555144511

To be fair Tilikum - the sentiment on that poster really makes no sense when we acknowledge that humans are only one species of many. Unless as some are suggesting it is to involve the wiping out of those species, all because someones ideology doesn't agree with what others eat.

Heres some examples of these bizarre ideas from some vegan / animal rights activists ...

The majority of the planet's 50,000 or so vertebrate species are vegetarian. But among the minority of carnivorous species are some of the best known creatures on the planet. Should these serial killers be permitted to prey on other sentient beings indefinitely?

It's crucial that at some point the animal-rights movement moves beyond farm, laboratory, and companion animals. The scale of brutality in nature is too vast to ignore, and humans have an obligation to exercise their cosmically rare position as both intelligent and empathetic creatures to reduce suffering in the wild as much as they can.

Crazy that this is being advocated and even applauded imo. But there you go....

auspicious wrote: »

You purposefully take it out if context. Either you haven't a clue about the article or you are most disingenuous.Brian implicitly states these ideas are his vision of a far flung future....
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Nope. Wrong. My post does not just relate to Brian's "ideas".

If you bother reading what wrote and detailed - there are two separate quotes there from different sources - both given as some examples of the type of frankly deranged ideas being promoted by a movement which includes:
• that all "meat is murder" .
•As exemplified in that billboard sentiment that espouses the same idea "that there is no right way to kill someone who doesn't want to die" (sic)
• And both these as advocated in this idea that all "Wild Animal Suffering" (ie animals killing / eating other animals") must be eradicated from the planet.

Anyone who is in denial about this has their head firmly stuck in the sand. Google "wild animal suffering" and face the truth that there are many many advocates and think-tanks of this movement. It is mainstream and bizarrely being promoted as something that could be achieved.

It is the promoters and thinkers behind much of the current vegan movement who are now advocating these ideas as a way to promote veganism. Deny it all you like - it doesn't change the fact that after the desire to eradicate all domestic animals including pets as currently as advocated by many vegan groups including PETA. The removal and total eradication of all wild meat eaters is being pushed because by those who believe that 'meat is murder' and therefore ultimately all animals which eat meat must be removed from the planet. Yes this is where the 'logic' of that poster goes to. And no I dont agree with it and yes I call that out for what it is.

auspicious wrote: »

Not just his ideas but ideas that are his vision.
They are futurist's concepts of what could be possible. Much the same way some transhumanists propose uploading humanity's collective consciousness to a computer.
Again see idealism. The second quote derives from some pinnacles of Janism's religious pathos. I.e. again ideals. Thus a super-altruistic viewpoint.The part about serial killing predators is just evocative rhetoric.
It is a weak argument to say this is mainstream thinking and it is certainly not the norm.

As stated they are just two examples of this vegan derived movement . There are many many more examples online if you care to look.

There are countless Facebook pages and a huge amount of social media advocating the eradication of 'Wild Animal Suffering" through removing wild predators (ie stopping wild animals eating other wild animals)

Again what is being promoted is not only the complete eradication of farm and domestic animals but also either the complete eradication or genetic alteration of predator species and the use of artificial birth control on remaining wild species as a way of limiting their numbers. It is one of the areas which I find truely disturbing. That these ideas apparently have many grassroot supporters is also deeply worrying imo.

"Idealism"? Its lunacy and futurist twaddle imo, however I do believe this is motivated less by concern for such animals, rather the existence of these animals both farmed and wild is a very real obstacle to the ideology of veganism as the 'only way'


If you doubt any of this - go Google it.

I doubt none of it. Factions come and go and tend to the right or left.
It is a topic that needs a great amount of philosophical debate yet it is a vision of a post-vegan world.
Let's just get there first.

Yep. 'There' being a *post*- vegan world.
We're a way off that scenario yet.
Sure aren't we still answering questions like where are all the cows going to go?

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah of course. However It doesn't stop the fact these sentiments are being currently used to push the propaganda advocating a vegan ideology 'now'.

Tbh certainly in my experience the second is generally posed in the form of a rhetorical question highlighting the fact that veganism calls for the complete eradication of all domestic species. I for one do not agree with that. But there you go.

More generalisation and hyperbole through highlighting aspects within a movement.
I don't think all vegans call for the eradication, as you put it, of dogs.

gozunda wrote: »

I think you maybe missing the point there again.

No. It's called satire :rolleyes:

Ohh i hope the likes coffee and chocolate Do the same

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Me too, I'd like it on everything.

+1

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

My eggs are free range who lay naturally and I typically visit the hens and mind them for my neighbour when they are away.

It's quite amazing that most of these 'billboards' depict the absolute worst of all possible welfare issues as a scare tactic. Not only is it dishonest - it is little better than the usual excesses of politicised propaganda imo.

Is there room for improvement in the commercial production of eggs. Yes there is.

I get it many plant advocates dont want to eat eggs and thats fine. But please don't pretend these posters are highlighting that any of them are for welfare reasons.

I've been told many times that Veganism does not support improvements in animal welfare. Rather - it looks for the abolishment and the complete eradication of all domestic species off the face of the planet (whether those animals are well cared for or otherwise). I think a poster about that would much better and to the point tbh.