Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Hi all,
Vanilla are planning an update to the site on April 24th (next Wednesday). It is a major PHP8 update which is expected to boost performance across the site. The site will be down from 7pm and it is expected to take about an hour to complete. We appreciate your patience during the update.
Thanks all.

Mars by 2020?

123578

Comments

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Rubecula wrote: »
    why would we send artificial intelligence to distant places though? sorry but I can not see the point.
    "These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its 5-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no [android] has gone before?"


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Fathom wrote: »
    "These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its 5-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no [android] has gone before?"


    humans are curious about something so we send a robot, one we probably never see or hear from again? I would be seriously disappointed if there was not at least one human along for the ride. it nay be dangerous but I would put my name forward in a flash.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Mars One seeks those interested in a one-way trip. The veracity of such a trip may be problematic.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    too o[d and decrepit, need cyborg enhancements lol


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Long space missions. Microgravity in space. May use gene therapy. One source to adapt while in flight to Mars?


  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,223 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Gene therapy has been emerging quickly to address all sorts of medical problems, so it is not surprising that such an approach may be applied to long space flights.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    gene therapy? or mucking about the life of babies who have no say in the matter?

    not thought about it before but what if the babies grow up to resent not being left to live on Earth?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,223 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Rubecula wrote: »
    gene therapy? or mucking about the life of babies who have no say in the matter?

    not thought about it before but what if the babies grow up to resent not being left to live on Earth?
    I am uncertain what you are referring to Rubecula? "Life of babies?" I believe the subject was how to overcome the potential adverse physiological effects of long space fights (e.g., flights to and from Mars), and how gene therapy may provide solutions?

    "Gene therapy is an experimental technique that uses genes to treat or prevent disease. In the future, this technique may allow doctors to treat a disorder by inserting a gene into a patient’s cells instead of using drugs or surgery. Researchers are testing several approaches to gene therapy, including:
    • Replacing a mutated gene that causes disease with a healthy copy of the gene.
    • Inactivating, or “knocking out,” a mutated gene that is functioning improperly.
    • Introducing a new gene into the body to help fight a disease."


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    I always hoped to see man on Mars in my lifetime. But every month or so there's a new hurdle it seems: Be it higher radiation than expected, more difficult to extract usable water than expected or the unusuability of the native soil.
    It is a pity but I believe, as others have said, that there are more viable projects: Moonbase, Lunar telescope, expanded ISS etc. I mean all these are doable and, in this day and age, be profitable. Let's build another space telescope like the James Webb but in the visible light spectrum. Look at those wonderful Hubble images and how they inspired a new interest in space.
    What we need is conclusive proof of extra-terrestrial life (Even a microbe would do. Maybe detecting artificial gasse arouls an extra-solar planet :). Again, think how mush it would ignite the imagination af the next generation of potential astrophysicists.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Rubecula wrote: »
    gene therapy? or mucking about the life of babies who have no say in the matter?
    Confused. Clarify please.


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Fathom wrote: »
    Confused. Clarify please.

    if gene therapy works on adults they can give permission to go ahead. Babies or unborn can not give permission. supposing for example gene therapy on an unborn child can allow them to be born with a prehensile tail to help live in space ... but also cause weakness in the legs so walking upright in gravity is impossible.

    should it be done in the name of space travel or not?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Rubecula wrote: »
    Babies or unborn can not give permission. supposing for example gene therapy on an unborn child can allow them to be born with a prehensile tail to help live in space ... but also cause weakness in the legs so walking upright in gravity is impossible. should it be done in the name of space travel or not?
    Good ethics question.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Wired vid regarding "physical effects of space travel and interplanetary colonization, specifically to Mars."


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Fathom wrote: »
    Wired vid regarding "physical effects of space travel and interplanetary colonization, specifically to Mars."

    the subject and content was very interesting but I would fall asleep listening to her delivery if she had spoken for longer.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Visited cousin at JPL. Saw this Mars exploration poster on wall. c413b007ede41d1cce568271cfe08f3c.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Fathom wrote: »
    Visited cousin at JPL. Saw this Mars exploration poster on wall.

    c413b007ede41d1cce568271cfe08f3c.jpg


    I watched a tv documentary last night on the BBC all about going to mars.

    I can not yet put a link on here, but there was another documentary a few nights ago, not about local planets, hope it is of interest.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0953y04/the-search-for-a-new-earth


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Mars exploration. Catches imagination. Manifests activity. Over time. Eventually humans may visit. Similar to past Moon landings. Until then orbiting satellites and robots gather data.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Humans can do things robots can't.

    NASA was paying about a billion dollars per shuttle launch for at most a few weeks in low earth orbit because it was far too large.

    Soyuz is much smaller and costs a lot less to get to orbit. Very roughly the same cost as the Indian Mangalyaan which has been orbiting Mars for years now.

    But robots are way cheaper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Anicka


    Arbie wrote: »
    A moonbase would be cheaper, safer, more practical, and imagine how cool it would be to be able to see it from a telescope!

    Also imagine the options for tourism! :eek:


  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Humans can do things robots can't.
    Today. Future? AI robotics expanding rapidly and geometrically.
    But robots are way cheaper.
    Strong selling point.
    Anicka wrote: »
    Also imagine the options for tourism! :eek:
    SpaceX selling tickets for trips in space. Tomorrow the Moon?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Fathom wrote: »
    Today. Future? AI robotics expanding rapidly and geometrically.

    “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”

    ― Robert A. Heinlein


  • Registered Users Posts: 31 ban resistant recalcitrant debutant


    There isn't much point in going to Mars I don't think. It's a large rock. I think we should do a base on the moon first. A large one that could hold 200 people or so similar to the one on Antarctic.

    The moon base would be great for public interest and for science. But there's no way we could make it an independent eco system to the Earth. I don't think we could raise generations of humans with no re-supply from Earth.


    Could we ever make a base on the moon which could exist without resupply from Earth for 100 years or more?
    Could children be raised and would they get all the essential nutrients?


    If we can't exist permenently on the moons and planets then perhaps we should send those Star Chips to other worlds. They're very good, you can send them in large numbers very cheaply, and they can be sent at 20% of c, which gets them to other worlds very quickly.


    The asteriods are very spaced out, so you can't visit them in the sense they aren't all piled up in one spot. They're probably very spaced out. Man.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Still very early for AI robotics high levels of sophistication, but 2012 "Curiosity started making decisions on its own" on Mars. Autonomous Exploration for Gathering Increased Science, or AEGIS.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    AEGIS has been evolving while exploring Mars. First applied to Opportunity. Later to Curiosity with improvements.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    In 2004 NASA landed twin rovers Spirit and Opportunity on Mars. Missions planned to last three months. Spirit worked for 6 years. Opportunity is still active.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Mars dust storms. 60 to 161 days duration. Still want to live there? Tc0oG.gif


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,681 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Also the lack of water means the dust is probably as sharp as the stuff on the moon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭Rubecula


    Also the lack of water means the dust is probably as sharp as the stuff on the moon.


    sharp stuff the size of dust would indicate the presence of water rather than the lack of it if there is an atmosphere present, only larger particles are smoothed by water.


  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,997 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Slide1s.jpg


Advertisement