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Irish Rugby and Sevens

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    #32
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    its_phil wrote: »
    Theres actually a schools 7s tournament on tomorrow in Terenure featuring all the big teams in Leinster.

    http://umbrella7s.ie/
    Joe Schmidt and a number of Leinster players have commited themselves to being in attendance.


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    #33
    muscleshirt
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    its_phil wrote: »
    Theres actually a schools 7s tournament on tomorrow in Terenure featuring all the big teams in Leinster.

    http://umbrella7s.ie/
    these are token/novelty events a more serious approach is needed
    matt williams has been propagating this for a long time .frank quinn in emerald rugby has also been saying we need to form some squads with the intention of entering some irb events ,you need to do this now not 12 months before the olympics and the then start blaming the players
    some squads could be formed fron the youths/20/clubs in conjuction with the academys at the moment and train some specialist 7s coaches
    we don't even have a course for 7s coaches most unions do


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    #34
    JustinDee
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    It was my understanding that there are club sevens tournaments in Ireland just that they tend to run after the 15's season has ended, not concurrently.

    The Club Sevens details are currently being sent to clubs for registration. They will take place by way of provincial events on April 28th (Sportsground, DLSP, Bruff, Belf Quins) with the All-Ireland taking place on May 12th at Dubarry Park.
    This year sees also the addition of underage Sevens in each provincial event with seperate comps for both boys and girls.

    Also other developments going on that will be announced in April.


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    #35
    muscleshirt
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    The Club Sevens details are currently being sent to clubs for registration. They will take place by way of provincial events on April 28th (Sportsground, DLSP, Bruff, Belf Quins) with the All-Ireland taking place on May 12th at Dubarry Park.
    This year sees also the addition of underage Sevens in each provincial event with seperate comps for both boys and girls.

    Also other developments going on that will be announced in April.
    poor turn out for last years comp generally..this years under age only goes to privincial , half arsed as usual


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    #36
    ormond lad
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    muscleshirt wrote: »
    poor turn out for last years comp generally..this years under age only goes to privincial , half arsed as usual
    At least there is a provincial underage 7s comp, when i was underage the east region in munster was the only region to run 7 or 10 a sides and this season has had, or will have, a 7 or 10 a side comp at 15s/17s and 19s

    Not having an all ireland 7s isnt that big a deal unless its properly organised, marketed and every club participates


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    #37
    its_phil
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    muscleshirt wrote: »
    these are token/novelty events a more serious approach is needed

    Tournament organised with 14 of best schools teams in Leinster organised and its a novelty event? They are planning on it being an annual event and it's only in it's first year, so who are you to judge it as a novelty or non-serious event?

    This is a great idea to expose young players to 7s rugby. I can't think of any better way to give exposure to players at school, who make up the bulk of Ireland sides, a chance to play 7s. If anything these are the guys who will most likely be at Rio 2016. At the end of the day XV's will always be the bread and butter of those schools and the rugby population in Ireland. Hopefully Munster and Ulster (or they might have one?) follow suit and set up a similar tournament.

    7s is not developing the way people like in this country because there isn't a team to follow on a national level. Seeing teams like Guyana and the Philippines on the 7s circuit, just makes a mockery of the fact we dont even enter a team into London or Edinburgh rounds. Credit to the IRFU for trying to develop the game with their competitions which will help but a team on the national level is vital.


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    #38
    JustinDee
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    muscleshirt wrote: »
    poor turn out for last years comp generally..this years under age only goes to privincial , half arsed as usual
    I don't think the clubs participating would appreciate that comment. I ran the Leinster and Ulster events and the All-Ireland. Pretty good turnout in those.

    If a club doesn't want to participate then that's their call. This year, seniors will definitely be well in attendance. Junior clubs are a different matter.
    The underage event is aimed at a massive playerbase, covering schools and clubs so I wouldn't call that "half-arsed" either.


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    ormond lad
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    its_phil wrote: »
    Tournament organised with 14 of best schools teams in Leinster organised and its a novelty event? They are planning on it being an annual event and it's only in it's first year, so who are you to judge it as a novelty or non-serious event?

    This is a great idea to expose young players to 7s rugby. I can't think of any better way to give exposure to players at school, who make up the bulk of Ireland sides, a chance to play 7s. If anything these are the guys who will most likely be at Rio 2016. At the end of the day XV's will always be the bread and butter of those schools and the rugby population in Ireland. Hopefully Munster and Ulster (or they might have one?) follow suit and set up a similar tournament.

    7s is not developing the way people like in this country because there isn't a team to follow on a national level. Seeing teams like Guyana and the Philippines on the 7s circuit, just makes a mockery of the fact we dont even enter a team into London or Edinburgh rounds. Credit to the IRFU for trying to develop the game with their competitions but a team on the national level is vital.
    If they could expand it to include other non tradtional rugby playing schools in future years it would be great.
    In Munster the first year they did a munster 7s at 15s level all the schools were in the same competition and Nenagh won the title beating several of the A schools in the process, the following year the competition was split into 2 sections the 10-12 A and B schools in 1 section and everyone else in the other.


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    #40
    its_phil
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    If they could expand it to include other non tradtional rugby playing schools in future years it would be great.
    In Munster the first year they did a munster 7s at 15s level all the schools were in the same competition and Nenagh won the title beating several of the A schools in the process, the following year the competition was split into 2 sections the 10-12 A and B schools in 1 section and everyone else in the other.

    It is a sport that would be good to target the non-rugby regions because you wont need a squad of 23. You'll need about 12 which is easier to manage in terms of getting numbers together


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    #41
    Fight_Night
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    guapos wrote: »
    I used to think that we should invest in a 7s team but theres a few things that have changed my mind

    1. We have produced our best ever team without any 7s
    2. Where is the money going to come from? A more competitive Connacht team is more important than a 7s

    5 aside football and pitch and putt aren't used to produce international players in their sports I dont see why 7s should be any different.

    Don't know a thing about golf, but all the best footballers started by playing 5 a side football in the street, Futsal is where all the players in Brazil start off in. I'd assume there could be the same reward reaped by 7s rugby, although dunno if we have the pool to have a competitive team in both. I think it could be a nice way to attract any speedsters that aren't quite ready for the physicality of 15s but still want to try out rugby.


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    #42
    muscleshirt
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    If they could expand it to include other non tradtional rugby playing schools in future years it would be great.
    In Munster the first year they did a munster 7s at 15s level all the schools were in the same competition and Nenagh won the title beating several of the A schools in the process, the following year the competition was split into 2 sections the 10-12 A and B schools in 1 section and everyone else in the other.
    your right the schools route is the way to go,it could spread the game to every corner,no need for AB schools almost every school could put out a sevens team good chance to spread the game and not keep it elite,also enough development officers around to organise it
    it will be hard to sell club 7s at under age in april/may with GAA season
    unless it leads to something worthwhile


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    #43
    Podge_irl
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    7s is simply a different sport from 15s. A reasonable number of players in NZ/Aus come "through" 7s on their way to 15s, but I don't think it does anything necessarily for their development. They are all players who would have made it anyway. The vast majority of 7s players will remain purely 7s players. The Olympics 7s teams will very quickly become made up of 7s specialists with maybe the odd big name thrown in.

    That said, I think the 7s event at the Olympics has the potential to be genuinely fantastic, as it's a great sport for a day out. Don't expect Ireland to be in it though.


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    #44
    muscleshirt
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    7s is simply a different sport from 15s. A reasonable number of players in NZ/Aus come "through" 7s on their way to 15s, but I don't think it does anything necessarily for their development. They are all players who would have made it anyway. The vast majority of 7s players will remain purely 7s players. The Olympics 7s teams will very quickly become made up of 7s specialists with maybe the odd big name thrown in.

    That said, I think the 7s event at the Olympics has the potential to be genuinely fantastic, as it's a great sport for a day out. Don't expect Ireland to be in it though.
    why not? the irfu voted for 7s to be included in the olympics
    do they not get monies from the sports council? tax payers money
    they have a duty to irish rugby playing kids who dream of been an olympian


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    #45
    Podge_irl
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    muscleshirt wrote: »
    why not? the irfu voted for 7s to be included in the olympics
    do they not get monies from the sports council? tax payers money
    they have a duty to irish rugby playing kids who dream of been an olympian

    Because Ireland don't play 7s and aren't going to be good enough to qualify. The qualification will be regional so Europe will only have maybe three teams - that's the UK and France and then a shoot-out between ourselves and Portugal I guess. If Portugal continue to actually play 7s and we continue to ignore it, then they could well pip Ireland to the post.


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    #46
    muscleshirt
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Because Ireland don't play 7s and aren't going to be good enough to qualify. The qualification will be regional so Europe will only have maybe three teams - that's the UK and France and then a shoot-out between ourselves and Portugal I guess. If Portugal continue to actually play 7s and we continue to ignore it, then they could well pip Ireland to the post.
    well if we keep ignoring it we arel never going to be good enough that is not a good enough reason , every rugby union have a serious 7s program
    are we right and everyone else wrong?


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    #47
    JustinDee
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Because Ireland don't play 7s and aren't going to be good enough to qualify. The qualification will be regional so Europe will only have maybe three teams - that's the UK and France and then a shoot-out between ourselves and Portugal I guess. If Portugal continue to actually play 7s and we continue to ignore it, then they could well pip Ireland to the post.
    Qualification criteria for olympics are actually yet to be finalised.


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    #48
    Podge_irl
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    JustinDee wrote: »
    Qualification criteria for olympics are actually yet to be finalised.

    Sorry, I was making an assumption (which obviously may turn out to be wrong). I'd be surprised if Europe had more then 3 places. Its a 12 team tournament yeah?


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    #49
    JustinDee
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Sorry, I was making an assumption (which obviously may turn out to be wrong). I'd be surprised if Europe had more then 3 places. Its a 12 team tournament yeah?
    We'll know in 2013.


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    CatFromHue
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    I was looking through the Wales and Scotland sevens squads and they seem to be made up of a mix of club players and development/academy players. The club players tended to be a bit older and so wouldn't really be in the development bracket. A few years ago our academy's wouldn't have been as developed as they are now so I think we'd now have a good selection of players to choose from.

    I'm not really too pushed about the Olympics to be honest. I don't view rugby or sevens as Olympic sports and while it may be nice to have a team that's all it would be. In athletics the Olympics is a big deal and always has been. In rugby though we have our RWC's, our 6 Nations and Tri Nations, our Heineken Cups and Super rugby cups and they'd be much more important to me as a player.


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    #51
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Anyone got a result for the Leinster Schools 7s competition today?


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    #52
    ormond lad
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Anyone got a result for the Leinster Schools 7s competition today?
    Dont know, pity they didnt include more schools including some non traditional schools in the competition. 7s is a great way to introduce them to the game. even if theyd plsyed them in the same venue but different competition

    East Munster(Tipperary and Waterford for those that didnt know) had their annual u15s 7 a side competition today. 14 teams and competition was going very well when i left.
    More clubs and schools should be playing 7s cups especially towards the end of the season and lads begin to drift off to other things


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    #53
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Dont know, pity they didnt include more schools including some non traditional schools in the competition. 7s is a great way to introduce them to the game. even if theyd plsyed them in the same venue but different competition

    East Munster(Tipperary and Waterford for those that didnt know) had their annual u15s 7 a side competition today. 14 teams and competition was going very well when i left.
    More clubs and schools should be playing 7s cups especially towards the end of the season and lads begin to drift off to other things
    Agreed, also it would be a great way to expose people from small schools or traditional GAA schools that wouldn't have the numbers interested in rugby to field a XVs team. It would give schools something to build on to field a XVs side in the future or would give students with interest in rugby a taster which might lead to them looking at clubs for the next season.


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    #54
    Foxtrol
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Anyone got a result for the Leinster Schools 7s competition today?

    According to twitter Newbridge College won it. Hopefully a good omen for tomorrow.


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    #55
    Naomi00
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    Theta wrote: »
    What do you know we dont?

    There's a Sevens championship on for Connacht clubs in a few weeks, and I think the other provinces will have them too but I'm not sure.


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    ormond lad
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    Naomi00 wrote: »
    There's a Sevens championship on for Connacht clubs in a few weeks, and I think the other provinces will have them too but I'm not sure.
    There is,provincial championships are on april 28th with all irelands a couple of weeks afterwards

    Saturday April 28th
    Connacht Championship Galway Sportsgrounds
    Leinster Championship DLSP RFC
    Munster Championship Bruff RFC
    Ulster Championship Belfast Harlequins RFC

    Saturday May 12th
    All-Ireland Club Sevens Championship Buccaneers RFC


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    CatFromHue
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Agreed, also it would be a great way to expose people from small schools or traditional GAA schools that wouldn't have the numbers interested in rugby to field a XVs team. It would give schools something to build on to field a XVs side in the future or would give students with interest in rugby a taster which might lead to them looking at clubs for the next season.

    I dunno, would it? It's a pretty big pitch and you have to fit as hell to play the game. It never appealed to me when I played and was at my fittest. When I played and was not at my fittest the thought of having to run the length of the pitch repeatedly had me contemplating faking an injury!

    If you're not fit I can't imagine it being too pleasant a game to play.


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    irishbucsfan
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I dunno, would it? It's a pretty big pitch and you have to fit as hell to play the game. It never appealed to me when I played and was at my fittest. When I played and was not at my fittest the thought of having to run the length of the pitch repeatedly had me contemplating faking an injury!

    If you're not fit I can't imagine it being too pleasant a game to play.

    I agree. There is no hiding on the 7s pitch. That scares the bejaysus out of me, I need somewhere to hide my weaknesses!

    I think 7s is built for a very specific type of player.


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    #59
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I dunno, would it? It's a pretty big pitch and you have to fit as hell to play the game. It never appealed to me when I played and was at my fittest. When I played and was not at my fittest the thought of having to run the length of the pitch repeatedly had me contemplating faking an injury!

    If you're not fit I can't imagine it being too pleasant a game to play.
    True but there is a base of fit people in most schools, a lot of whom will try any sport if the school makes i available.

    I think that putting out a 7s team would attract these people into trying rugby. After that they might be lured by the club scene.


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    steve9859
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    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0404/1224314345199.html

    I agree 100% with everything in this. I've been to most of the world's sevens competitions at some stage, including Hong Kong. It would be a shame if after 2016 there was no competitive Irish representation at a sevens world cup, which would be a truly international competition (and it looks like there's going to be money in it too).

    A properly structured Irish set up might even attract gaelic footballers who have the fitness and the skills to excel at it


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    #61
    JustinDee
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    Yesterday's announcement regarding the expanded Club Sevens competition was ignored by every pundit bar one.

    If the media isn't interested in using Sevens as anything but a stick to beat with, then who's to say anyone else is even remotely clicked to it.

    Next bit of news, to be out this week, will probably yield some commentary but yet again, the grassroots level of the sport in Ireland will go largely ignored by those who think that club rugby consists of Division 1A and nothing else.


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