The worst tipster in the history of the world

Peintre Celebre · 18-11-2015 8:41pm #1

Lads has anyone been following Richard Birch's banker of the day that's on the RP app. It beggars belief that this fella is being paid for his tips I honestly have seen one winner in all the times I remember to check the results. Have never seen him tip anything bar a fav. People must make a killing laying him but I can't find a track record of the selections anywhere. Always thought he looked like a pure geek

madmoose · 18-11-2015 9:48pm

I read tom segal is minus 120 this year??

Gregk961 · 18-11-2015 10:03pm

Havnt seen enough of him to say hes the worst but its fairly pathetic alright.

Don't think we'll see one as bad as (the late) kieran o connell of the star. Granted most of it was in aid of charity and he did great things for fundraising but he picked the forecast fav in every race at every meeting everyday, it doesn't get worse than that.

junospider · 18-11-2015 10:37pm

Derek Thompson is in a league of his own.

ShaneU · 18-11-2015 10:56pm

Hugh Taylor on ATR is the best I know

madmoose · 18-11-2015 11:20pm

ShaneU wrote: »

Hugh Taylor on ATR is the best I know

He is brilliant but its a shame you can never get the prices

kksaints · 18-11-2015 11:21pm

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Lads has anyone been following Richard Birch's banker of the day that's on the RP app. It beggars belief that this fella is being paid for his tips I honestly have seen one winner in all the times I remember to check the results. Have never seen him tip anything bar a fav. People must make a killing laying him but I can't find a track record of the selections anywhere. Always thought he looked like a pure geek

I always thought he was the Greyhound tipster, certainly a few years ago his articles seemed more greyhound orientated than horse racing.

abarkie · 18-11-2015 11:30pm

madmoose wrote: »

I read tom segal is minus 120 this year??

http://www.bettingtools.co.uk/tipster-table/tipsters/pricewise/23

justincasey · 19-11-2015 8:24am

Graham Cunningham from C4 racing is brutal..good insight but couldn't pick his nose it's getting funny at this stage

irish_major · 19-11-2015 9:27am

Tony O Hehir. As well as being a brutal commentator his tips in the RP are shocking

realdanbreen · 19-11-2015 9:52am

Never pay attention to the charity bets given out on the Morning Line. If they were betting with real money they would be in the poorhouse at this stage.

byronbay2 · 19-11-2015 12:02pm

madmoose wrote: »

I read tom segal is minus 120 this year??

He had 34 losers in a row in Sept-Oct so he has certainly lost his mojo this year! My theory on this is that The RP is asking him for selections in 4 or 5 races on Saturdays now (he used to only have 2-3 tips) and he is spreading himself too thin. I would still highly respect his opinion however and always have a second look at his tips.

Richard Birch seems to target low-grade handicaps, which are of no interest to me. I read his articles in The RP but never back his tips. His rationale often seems flawed to me i.e looking at form from 3 years ago and assuming the horse can still run to this even though it has 30 duck-eggs since then and has dropped 30lbs in the ratings. Having said that, based on his articles, he seems to be a successful and astute punter.

I would respect the opinions of both Hugh Taylor and Donn Mclean. Obviously, the "tips" of most newspaper tipsters are a waste of time - if you a looking for a "worst" tipster, that is the place to start.

BumperD · 19-11-2015 1:08pm

madmoose wrote: »

I read tom segal is minus 120 this year??

That wouldn't surprise me, I used to always check his selections but he seems to have gone off the rails the last few years. I even heard him give 4 horses in the champion hurdle one year when there were less than 10 runners, one in the antepost market, another in a preview, a third selection at the Galway preview a week before the race and another selection on the day of the race! That's when he lost some credibility for me. Seems a bit scattered and cannot focus like he used to.

madmoose · 19-11-2015 6:30pm

Alex hammond is dire aswell

Shemale · 19-11-2015 8:22pm

madmoose wrote: »

I read tom segal is minus 120 this year??

Its the Channel 4 effect, he was brilliant until he was on it every week.

Everyone who was ever on Channel 4

Harry Palmr · 21-11-2015 12:10am

abarkie wrote: »

http://www.bettingtools.co.uk/tipster-table/tipsters/pricewise/23

Cheers for posting this link. I'm using the tipsters that have the best Hit rate (as opposed to profit) Andy Holding for the win.

Harry Angstrom · 21-11-2015 1:46am

Not sure how his profit/loss works out, but Ed Quigley rarely, if ever, tips a winner. Granted he goes as "Longshot" in the Racing Post, but I've never really understood why a tipster should limit himself to tipping just outsiders. Successful betting is all about interpreting what's value and what's not. If you reckon an 11/10 shot should be a 1/2 shot, then the 11/10 is value. If you reckon a 10/1 shot should be double those odds, then the 10/1 on offer is skinny. Employing somebody to tip outsiders for the sake of tipping outsiders is fairly pointless.

Straffan1979 · 21-11-2015 10:07am

The Donn

HarshOstrich · 22-11-2015 8:15am

Paul Merson

23-11-2015 10:51am

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Not sure how his profit/loss works out, but Ed Quigley rarely, if ever, tips a winner. Granted he goes as "Longshot" in the Racing Post, but I've never really understood why a tipster should limit himself to tipping just outsiders. Successful betting is all about interpreting what's value and what's not. If you reckon an 11/10 shot should be a 1/2 shot, then the 11/10 is value. If you reckon a 10/1 shot should be double those odds, then the 10/1 on offer is skinny. Employing somebody to tip outsiders for the sake of tipping outsiders is fairly pointless.

Some of the criticism is unfair. Most tipsters have a job to do and they have to do it even if that means going against their judgement.

Longshot or Pricewise are good examples - Tom Segal might be convinced the fav is going to win a big handicap on Saturday but he can't tip it. He has to find something more obscure - that's his job. You have to read between the lines sometimes to figure out what they really believe rather than just assume they tip everything with equal confidence.

I once had a conversation with a high profile tipster who bemoaned the requirement to provide a 'tip' for every race at the festival when all but three or four of them were a 'no bet' for him.

All that said I don't pay too much attention to them.

callaway92 · 23-11-2015 3:52pm

madmoose wrote: »

Alex hammond is dire aswell

Sure she works for SkySports/SkyBet - She's gonna be giving dud bets constantly.

I think Brian Gleeson is excellent. I'm not aware of tipping that he does but his insight is great. I'd trust his opinion over most others.

Dr. Bre · 23-11-2015 7:36pm

So who's decent then? Anyone who's not on ch4 by the sounds of it ha

HarshOstrich · 23-11-2015 7:47pm

Gary nutting does good anti post bets
He tipped annacotty to win the paddy power weeks before

longshotvalue · 23-11-2015 9:48pm

Pricewise has an unbelievably good long term record. His loosing streak at the moment is just pure maths. Tipping longer priced horse can result in a huge loosing streaks. Its possible to have any number of 20/1 shots that are value (having at 16/1 chance of winning) is an row that don't come in. The longterm in these type of bets runs into the thousands before the luck factor can be leveled out.

I remember in one of my 100 bet treads being down about 80 points with 20 bets left and getting it all back and more in 1 week. HE could easily pick 2 or 3 winners and be in profit for the year.

abarkie · 23-11-2015 10:09pm

aidankkk wrote: »

HE could easily pick 2 or 3 winners and be in profit for the year.

I am happy to predict he won't be in profit from now to 31/12/2015.

He has lost his way.

Five Saturdays before the end of the year and I will say that only 1 week will show a profit.

Do you have a prediction?

Dr. Bre · 24-11-2015 10:23pm

Ben linfoot can be good in the sporting life

yaboya1 · 24-11-2015 11:24pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tom Segal might be convinced the fav is going to win a big handicap on Saturday but he can't tip it.

I'd agree with you, apart from the fact that he's tipped numerous favourites in the past three months. They were favourites before he tipped them too, so it wasn't down to his followers lumping on.

Peintre Celebre · 25-11-2015 2:27pm

Richard's 5/1 shot beaten a mere 30 lengths yesterday. Indian Voyage the one to receive the curse of the virgin today

JimJonesJunior · 26-11-2015 5:25pm

Best by a mile is Frank on twitter @bettingforum316. I have been with him for 4 months, up over 300 points.

thesaturdayman · 27-11-2015 11:20pm

callaway92 wrote: »

Sure she works for SkySports/SkyBet - She's gonna be giving dud bets constantly.

I think Brian Gleeson is excellent. I'm not aware of tipping that he does but his insight is great. I'd trust his opinion over most others.

ffs brian gleeson is as useful as a chocolate tea pot.

an absolute crow of the worst kind.

yaboya1 · 28-11-2015 8:55am

yaboya1 wrote: »

I'd agree with you, apart from the fact that he's tipped numerous favourites in the past three months. They were favourites before he tipped them too, so it wasn't down to his followers lumping on.

Another one today.
He's just gotten lazy if you ask me.

The worst tipster in the history of the world

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