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27-09-2020, 00:57   #2611
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27-09-2020, 01:08   #2612
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The party and policies (Green Party, PBP, and other left wing in general) these types vote for will introduce taxes that hit the less well off the hardest.

Carbon taxes at €100 per tonne will not greatly affect someone earning €70k+ per annum. Someone on minimum wage that relies on a second hand car to travel to work will be crucified with additional costs. Don't say "they should drive an EV then" because the reality is the vast majority cannot afford an EV.
take those arguments to the politics forum. The reality of climate change has little to do with the political decisions related to who should pay to resolve it

Should everyone get a voucher for a free EV? Should rich people get taxed at 200% of their income? Should teenagers get days off school to role play as activists??? None of these questions are in any way relevant to the central problem of whether Climate change needs to be mitigated

If you do not deny this proposition then put forward your suggestions for how we should reasonably solve the problem. If you deny the need for action then provide the evidence For why you reject the overwhelming scientific consensus
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take those arguments to the politics forum. The reality of climate change has little to do with the political decisions related to who should pay to resolve it

I do think theres a possible concern over carbon taxation, particularly for those on lower incomes, we need to also implement actions that will off set any negatives they may experience from such policies, if we continue with our normal neoliberal/neoclassical approach, many folks could find themselves in serious trouble with this new taxation, including middle income folks
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27-09-2020, 10:12   #2614
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I do think theres a possible concern over carbon taxation, particularly for those on lower incomes, we need to also implement actions that will off set any negatives they may experience from such policies, if we continue with our normal neoliberal/neoclassical approach, many folks could find themselves in serious trouble with this new taxation, including middle income folks
There are lots of ways to imagine implementing the solution in a just and responsible way, but we’re not discussing solutions in this thread, we’re stuck on a treadmill where the same few posters mock anyone who calls for action as a way of dismissing the underlying need for action to reduce GHG emissions
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A new study in Science attributes extreme heat events in our oceans to Climate change. Events that have a natural frequency of 1 in a century to once in a thousand years are now occurring once every 10 years. These extreme events are responsible for disrupting food chains and have been the cause of mass mortalities of apex species in recent years and are likely to become annual events if we allow climate change to reach 3c above pre-industrial levels
It's a pretty weak paper.
  • Findings are based purely on model projections under RCP8.5,
  • Only looks at observational data from 1981, which means natural cycles are most likely contributors (e.g. the positive PDO for the 2012-2015 Pacific MHW, peak positive AMO for the northwest Atlantic MHW),
  • It makes an unreferenced broad statement that "MHWs were extremely rare events during preindustrial times, with expected return periods of hundreds to thousands of years for North Atlantic MHWs and >10,000 years for all other MHWs in terms of their intensity, duration, and cumulative intensity.". The longer historical record can't be compared to the recent high-resolution satellite dataset. Just like with hurricanes, many MHWs will have gone totally under-reported pre-satellite era.
  • The West Australia and Southern Ocean MHWs could not be attributed.
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Wildfires in the US as per The Conversation
https://theconversation.com/humans-i...s-homes-145997

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And development in these areas is increasing. Between 1990 and 2015, 32 million new homes were built in the wildland-urban interface – a 145% increase.
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Wildfires are a natural disturbance for these regions, but when combined with climate change and housing growth in the wildland-urban interface – zones where development has spread into wild areas – they have become larger and more destructive. To make matters worse, humans are responsible for starting almost all the wildfires in developed areas that threaten U.S. homes. In a newly published study, we show that through activities like debris burning, equipment use and arson, people ignited 97% of home-threatening wildfires in the wildland-urban interface between 1992 and 2015. For comparison, when fires in undeveloped areas are also counted, humans started 84% of all wildfires between 1992 and 2012, with lightning as the main natural cause.
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