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Civil Servcie mobility scheme

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  • #92
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    cee_jay wrote: »
    All APs I know in ICT are generalist or AP ICT grade. I don't know any who are counted under P&T.
    doc22 wrote: »
    If you're an AP be that in an ICT role or not you can apply. Professional and technical roles from my view would be solicitor,ag inspector, engineer grades not an AP specialist in ICT who'd be free to apply.

    Local HR tell me that my role is a P&T role - recruited via a PAS specialist competition.


  • #93
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Local HR tell me that my role is a P&T role - recruited via a PAS specialist competition.

    A guy I work with, an EO, was told the same thing. He was also told he wouldn't be eligible for a move under the mobility scheme, it's not true. I checked it out and had it confirmed that he is eligible. I think it was Peoplepoint who confirmed it, I'll check tomorrow.

    I wonder is it just an assumption made by HR in some department(s)/organisation(s)?


  • #94
    Kirbi
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Kirbi


    cee_jay wrote: »
    All APs I know in ICT are generalist or AP ICT grade. I don't know any who are counted under P&T.

    Yeah, it's the same in my organisation - they'd all be on the standard scale, hired under a generalist contract, etc.


  • #95
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    rostalof wrote: »
    A guy I work with, an EO, was told the same thing. He was also told he wouldn't be eligible for a move under the mobility scheme, it's not true. I checked it out and had it confirmed that he is eligible. I think it was Peoplepoint who confirmed it, I'll check tomorrow.

    I wonder is it just an assumption made by HR in some department(s)/organisation(s)?

    I checked my emails this morning. It was confirmed by a Forsa Rep who negotiated the mobility scheme with DPER, mobility@peoplepoint and by the mobility team at DPER.


  • #96
    doc22
    Registered Users Posts: 853 ✭✭✭doc22


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Local HR tell me that my role is a P&T role - recruited via a PAS specialist competition.

    perhaps HR don't want to lose and hence replace staff, perhaps having to make new business case etc. ? In my view an AP is an AP regardless of specialist role. While an AP equivalent grade such as an accountant can't.


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  • #97
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    doc22 wrote: »
    perhaps HR don't want to lose and hence replace staff, perhaps having to make new business case etc. ? In my view an AP is an AP regardless of specialist role. While an AP equivalent grade such as an accountant can't.

    That's definitely it. They can't retain ICT staff generally.


  • #98
    Aine1981
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭Aine1981


    Is there any reason why mobility isn't offered to Professional or Technical? Was it ever offered?


  • #99
    willthiswork
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭willthiswork


    shamrock woman wrote: »
    The mobility list for various departments for EO in the south of the country hasnt moved at all for the last year it seems to me, although I know it was suspended for a few months because of covid. Has anyone actually moved via mobility at that grade in cork?

    Yeah, I know someone who will be starting their new role next week through mobility within Cork as an EO.


  • #100
    shamrock woman
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭shamrock woman


    willthiswork wrote: »
    Yeah, I know someone who will be starting their new role next week through mobility within Cork as an EO.

    That's good news that someone has moved, I suppose the way recruitment is sorted the mobility list would be slow anyway. Just surprised by how slow it is.


  • #101
    griffid
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭griffid


    Maybe this has been asked/answered already, but does anyone know definitively if the number of posts per grade shown when you click a blue dot on the mobility map are the number of vacant posts to be filled, or are they simply the number of positions at that grade in that location.


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  • #102
    Kirbi
    Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭Kirbi


    griffid wrote: »
    Maybe this has been asked/answered already, but does anyone know definitively if the number of posts per grade shown when you click a blue dot on the mobility map are the number of vacant posts to be filled, or are they simply the number of positions at that grade in that location.

    It's the total number of positions in the office, both filled and vacant.


  • #103
    Spacific
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Spacific


    According to an article in the Sunday times:

    Over 50 per cent of staff in NSSO are seeking a transfer

    Approx 25 per cent of staff in DSP are seeking a transfer

    Approx 25 per cent in Garda Civilian are seeking a transfer


  • #104
    shamrock woman
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭shamrock woman


    Spacific wrote: »
    According to an article in the Sunday times:

    Over 50 per cent of staff in NSSO are seeking a transfer

    Approx 25 per cent of staff in DSP are seeking a transfer

    Approx 25 per cent in Garda Civilian are seeking a transfer

    Was that last Sunday?


  • #105
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Spacific wrote: »
    According to an article in the Sunday times:

    Over 50 per cent of staff in NSSO are seeking a transfer

    Jeez, I had heard some bad stories but that's exceptional. What grades are this?


  • #106
    Spacific
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Spacific


    56 per cent of EO's
    46 per cent of CO's


  • #107
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    Spacific wrote: »
    56 per cent EO
    46 per cent CO

    No mathematicians working there by the looks of it.....


  • #108
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    rostalof wrote: »
    No mathematicians working there by the looks of it.....

    No mathematicians posting here by the looks of it.


  • #109
    shamrock woman
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭shamrock woman


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Jeez, I had heard some bad stories but that's exceptional. What grades are this?

    What do you mean by bad stories?


  • #110
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    No mathematicians posting here by the looks of it.

    I see the original poster edited his post.


  • #111
    Spacific
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Spacific


    rostalof wrote:
    I see the original poster edited his post.

    Edited to make it clear for those who did not understand!


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  • #112
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    Spacific wrote: »
    Edited to make it clear for those who did not understand!

    You mean you corrected it. There's no other way to understand what you originally posted.

    "56 per cent EO
    46 per cent CO"

    Hopefully you're one of the 102% of the 50% in the NSSO that's looking for a transfer.


  • #113
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    shamrock woman wrote: »
    What do you mean by bad stories?

    I heard they had high turnover, and some groups there were under huge pressure and seemed to be under resourced.


  • #114
    Spacific
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Spacific


    rostalof wrote:
    You mean you corrected it. There's no other way to understand what you originally posted.

    rostalof wrote:
    "56 per cent EO 46 per cent CO"

    rostalof wrote:
    Hopefully you're one of the 102% in the NSSO that's looking for a transfer.

    rostalof wrote:
    You mean you corrected it. There's no other way to understand what you originally posted.

    rostalof wrote:
    "56 per cent EO 46 per cent CO"

    rostalof wrote:
    Hopefully you're one of the 102% in the NSSO that's looking for a transfer.


    Someone asked the breakdown of grades that make up the 50 per cent of staff looking for a transfer.
    56 per cent of one group of people and 46 per cent of another group of people does not equal 102 per cent of all people. Simple really.


  • #115
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    rostalof wrote: »
    You mean you corrected it. There's no other way to understand what you originally posted.

    "56 per cent EO
    46 per cent CO"

    Hopefully you're one of the 102% in the NSSO that's looking for a transfer.

    I understood exactly what was meant first time around.

    Don't blame others for your jumping to a wrong conclusion.


  • #116
    rostalof
    Registered Users Posts: 330 ✭✭rostalof


    Spacific wrote: »
    Someone asked the breakdown of grades that make up the 50 per cent of staff looking for a transfer.
    56 per cent of one group of people and 46 per cent of another group of people does not equal 102 per cent of all people. Simple really.

    It is simple, but that's not what you posted initially. As you said, "Someone asked the breakdown of grades that make up the 50 per cent of staff looking for a transfer", you replied 46 percent CO and 56 percent EO. Making 102% of the 50% looking to transfer. Then you corrected your post to 46 percent of COs and 56 percent of EOs. Which does make sense.

    Anyway, keep up the good work in payroll.


  • #117
    SouthWesterly
    Registered Users Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I heard they had high turnover, and some groups there were under huge pressure and seemed to be under resourced.

    A lot of rural nsso staff are driving up to 2 hours to get to work and are looking for closer to home.


  • #118
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,346 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    SouthWesterly wrote: »
    A lot of rural nsso staff are driving up to 2 hours to get to work and are looking for closer to home.

    Why would NSSO figures be so much higher than other Departments though? Surely you could say the same for a lot of staff in rural offices?


  • #119
    SouthWesterly
    Registered Users Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Why would NSSO figures be so much higher than other Departments though? Surely you could say the same for a lot of staff in rural offices?

    Granted by all reports its not an easy place to work. Being the punching bag of civil servants all day is a tough gig. Unfortunately the reasons for mobility aren't documented but a lot of staff pass half a dozen other offices on their way to work.


  • #120
    Nigel Fairservice
    Registered Users, Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,174 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    I'd say there are a lot of tyre kickers out there. A few people in my office were offered mobility but didn't take it in the end. I got a mobility move after 17 months on the list.


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  • #121
    Skippette
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Skippette


    When do ye think they will start making HEO/AO mobility offers?

    think I read something about last date in March for making legacy applications around the 18th, so the lists should be settled.

    Well I hope so!


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