Electric Gate Quote

ocallagh · 15-04-2021 12:38pm #1

Hi all, I have received a quote for a gate which seems on the high side. See below. Any thoughts the price?

The driveway is already cabled for it. The gate will be shared by three houses, hence the 3 HD wifi monitors etc.

Quotation Gate:
1 no. 5.2m x 1.5m swing gate made up of steel frame with vertical louvred steel infill
2 no. Gate posts
1 no. Keypad post
All steelwork galvanised and powder coated to RAL 7016

Quotation Automation:
2 no. Underground hydraulic motor
1 no. Set of safety photocells
6 no. Remotes
4 no. Safety edges
1 no. Video Intercom with keypad
3 no. Hd wifi Monitor
1 no. Keypad
1 no. Gsm phone dialler

Preperation works to include fitting gate posts and moving pavement stones.
Cost to supply, install and commissioning Plus 1 year warranty on all moving parts

€15,000.00

Exclusions:
Vat
Mains and comms cabling

Lenar3556 · 16-04-2021 11:08am

Seems very high - I would have been thinking half of that.
Get more quotations, but from firms who have the capacity to do a good job on the gate / mechanical installation.

kub · 16-04-2021 10:00pm

ocallagh wrote: »

Hi all, I have received a quote for a gate which seems on the high side. See below. Any thoughts the price?

The driveway is already cabled for it. The gate will be shared by three houses, hence the 3 HD wifi monitors etc.

Quotation Gate:
1 no. 5.2m x 1.5m swing gate made up of steel frame with vertical louvred steel infill
2 no. Gate posts
1 no. Keypad post
All steelwork galvanised and powder coated to RAL 7016

Quotation Automation:
2 no. Underground hydraulic motor
1 no. Set of safety photocells
6 no. Remotes
4 no. Safety edges
1 no. Video Intercom with keypad
3 no. Hd wifi Monitor
1 no. Keypad
1 no. Gsm phone dialler

Preperation works to include fitting gate posts and moving pavement stones.
Cost to supply, install and commissioning Plus 1 year warranty on all moving parts

€15,000.00

Exclusions:
Vat
Mains and comms cabling

Speaking as someone who knows a thing about gate automation, it is around right.
I would however as the previous poster mentioned, get further quotes.

There is an error with the warranty period as there is an EU rule that states that there has to be a 24 month period on electronic equipment of which gate automation equipment is.

Lenar3556 · 18-04-2021 11:04am

kub wrote: »

Speaking as someone who knows a thing about gate automation, it is around right.
I would however as the previous poster mentioned, get further quotes.

There is an error with the warranty period as there is an EU rule that states that there has to be a 24 month period on electronic equipment of which gate automation equipment is.

About €2.5k+vat for the gate, another €2.5k+ vat for the controls and security equipment. Another €500+vat for miscellaneous.

cabling already in place.

Struggling to see how this could get anywhere near €15k + vat. Anyone would be well paid at €8k I would have thought.

One the warranty piece, you may be referring to EU directive 1999/44/EC. While at first glance it might appear that this gives rise to a blanket 2 year warranty, but this is not actually the case. The directive allows a consumer to pursue a retailer for up to two years from the date of sale, but the claim may be denied on the basis that the defect was not inherently present at the point of delivery of the product or system and there lies the issue.

In practical terms, it is of little importance in Ireland where consumer law already provides a period of 6 years in which to seek redress.

enricoh · 18-04-2021 2:46pm

Yeah, 8k + vat is loads for that. Nice work if you can get it!

kub · 18-04-2021 10:08pm

Lenar3556 wrote: »

About €2.5k+vat for the gate, another €2.5k+ vat for the controls and security equipment. Another €500+vat for miscellaneous.

cabling already in place.

Struggling to see how this could get anywhere near €15k + vat. Anyone would be well paid at €8k I would have thought.

One the warranty piece, you may be referring to EU directive 1999/44/EC. While at first glance it might appear that this gives rise to a blanket 2 year warranty, but this is not actually the case. The directive allows a consumer to pursue a retailer for up to two years from the date of sale, but the claim may be denied on the basis that the defect was not inherently present at the point of delivery of the product or system and there lies the issue.

In practical terms, it is of little importance in Ireland where consumer law already provides a period of 6 years in which to seek redress.

I will bow to your apparent knowledge with reference to consumer law.

Speaking as a professional who actually specifies, installs and repairs security systems such as automatic gates, I feel that the OP is best advised to get another 2 quotes from professional installers,

That 2.5k + vat which you mentioned as being for the " controls and security equipment " is very conservative, most especially now that The HSA have implemented this :

https://www.hsa.ie/eng/Publications_and_Forms/Publications/Machinery_and_Work_Equipment/Guidelines_on_the_Safety_of_Powered_Gates.html

Since that came in, I am afraid you are a bit behind on the cost of automating gates.

Anyway, none of us have any idea of the site, the layout and the challenges so all we can do is guess.

All i have to rely on is 30 years experience......what would I know ?

Lenar3556 · 18-04-2021 11:23pm

kub wrote: »

I will bow to your apparent knowledge with reference to consumer law.

Speaking as a professional who actually specifies, installs and repairs security systems such as automatic gates, I feel that the OP is best advised to get another 2 quotes from professional installers,

That 2.5k + vat which you mentioned as being for the " controls and security equipment " is very conservative, most especially now that The HSA have implemented this :

https://www.hsa.ie/eng/Publications_and_Forms/Publications/Machinery_and_Work_Equipment/Guidelines_on_the_Safety_of_Powered_Gates.html

Since that came in, I am afraid you are a bit behind on the cost of automating gates.

Anyway, none of us have any idea of the site, the layout and the challenges so all we can do is guess.

All i have to rely on is 30 years experience......what would I know ?

I’m simply probing where such a cost could come from, and you haven’t really enlightened me. Of course there are safety standards, but have all decent installers not been operating to what you have attached for many years now? I don’t see anything particularly remarkable in it.?

I had a set of gates installed at my own house in 2017. The gates cost me €2k incl vat. They are a nice set and I suspect I got them at the right price. The automation by a separate security firm using Beninka underground motors, photocells and safety edges cost me another €2,200 + VAT. I had the cabling already in place and didn’t fit an intercom.

A set was installed at my workplace in 2019. This was a bigger job and was carried out by a building contractor, who sub-contracted the automation aspect to a security / gate company. The total cost was €8,900 incl. VAT. The gates were galvanised and powder coated and had underground motors. HIKVision Video intercom to two rooms. GSM opener, tarmac cut and repaired, Cabling run (short enough distance) safety edges, photocells etc and Act keypads additionally. The gate equipment was FAAC. They are swing gates.

I would be genuinely interested to understand where this would reasonably get to €15k + VAT. Happy to bow 30 years experience!

kub · 19-04-2021 8:19am

Lenar3556 wrote: »

I’m simply probing where such a cost could come from, and you haven’t really enlightened me. Of course there are safety standards, but have all decent installers not been operating to what you have attached for many years now? I don’t see anything particularly remarkable in it.?

I had a set of gates installed at my own house in 2017. The gates cost me €2k incl vat. They are a nice set and I suspect I got them at the right price. The automation by a separate security firm using Beninka underground motors, photocells and safety edges cost me another €2,200 + VAT. I had the cabling already in place and didn’t fit an intercom.

A set was installed at my workplace in 2019. This was a bigger job and was carried out by a building contractor, who sub-contracted the automation aspect to a security / gate company. The total cost was €8,900 incl. VAT. The gates were galvanised and powder coated and had underground motors. HIKVision Video intercom to two rooms. GSM opener, tarmac cut and repaired, Cabling run (short enough distance) safety edges, photocells etc and Act keypads additionally. The gate equipment was FAAC. They are swing gates.

I would be genuinely interested to understand where this would reasonably get to €15k + VAT. Happy to bow 30 years experience!

Wow, look at that, you have experienced 2 gate installations over the last 3/4 years.

You know it all, well done you.

Head off to the OP's place now with your €8 k budget and see how you get on.

Don't you dare and suggest that any gate system that I have been involved with over the years are in anyway below any standards.

sebdavis · 19-04-2021 8:22am

Get multiple quotes.

Lenar3556 · 19-04-2021 8:58am

kub wrote: »

Wow, look at that, you have experienced 2 gate installations over the last 3/4 years.

You know it all, well done you.

Head off to the OP's place now with your €8 k budget and see how you get on.

Don't you dare and suggest that any gate system that I have been involved with over the years are in anyway below any standards.

I think I have made my point. The quoted price seems well excessive based on the description provided, and assuming mid-range installation conditions.

With respect kub, you have added nothing of substance to the discussion other than to mislead the OP with a misunderstanding of a 20 year old EU directive. If you have experience in this field, why not stop with the bluff and bluster and bring it to the table.

sebdavis · 19-04-2021 9:23am

The two of you are arguing over the gates and automation. Yet you missed the biggest question mark I would have: "Preperation works to include fitting gate posts and moving pavement stones."
If the company is not used to this type of working they could be getting an external contractor in. This could end up in "name your price territory"

Also it mention 3 houses. Spilt down this is 5k per house. Again another reason why a supplier might up the price because 5k per house is not too bad.

The only way the person will find out is go to other supplier. If 3 houses involved I am sure you could all jump into together and do some of the prep work if that is a high cost. Even moving and dumping the paving stones could take a big chuck out

TheW1zard · 19-04-2021 9:27am

I just paid 7k for 3.5m swing gates, including all cabling and keypads etc. This also included a pedestrian gate supplied and fitted.

kirving · 19-04-2021 9:35am

Say the gates cost €5k, where is the €10k going on automation equipment?

I don't work on gates admittedly, but have enough experience in industrial automation equipment for it to strike me as quite a high price.

alan partridge aha · 19-04-2021 9:39am

I'd getting them to further break down the quote, cost, of prep work, gates and automation and as others said get more quotes

Dempo1 · 19-04-2021 9:43am

My neighbour just got a quote as it happens, it will be a sliding type, quite wide opening, Galvinised frame with timber panel /cladding. about 20 feet, he's supplying power etc, local quote of €4,000 + vat.

Based in Midlands, quote was local, seems very reasonable

EDIT, no major ground work required and being done separately

sebdavis · 19-04-2021 9:48am

Dempo1 wrote: »

My neighbour just got a quote as it happens, it will be a sliding type, quite wide opening, Galvinised frame with timber panel /cladding. about 20 feet, he's supplying power etc, local quote of €4,000 + vat.

Based in Midlands, quote was local, seems very reasonable

EDIT, no major ground work required and being done separately

This is the bit to note. At the moment it is difficult to get people and good people so the OP might be surprised how much it is costing to stick up the post etc.....

It is also very easy to jump on the gate/automation supplier. As mentioned they might nto have the experience and need a 3rd party. They could getting just as screwed as the OP but have no other option. Plus they will have to stand over the work so can't go for some lad they know nothing about. This might not be the case but worth considering

Dempo1 · 19-04-2021 9:55am

sebdavis wrote: »

This is the bit to note. At the moment it is difficult to get people and good people so the OP might be surprised how much it is costing to stick up the post etc.....

It is also very easy to jump on the gate/automation supplier. As mentioned they might nto have the experience and need a 3rd party. They could getting just as screwed as the OP but have no other option. Plus they will have to stand over the work so can't go for some lad they know nothing about. This might not be the case but worth considering

Fair points. My neighbour is fortunate not to have to build entrance, that already insitu, natural stone, pillars etc and in essence just purchasing a framed gate mechanism on rollers and as I've mentioned he doesn't have major ground works needed and power supply a seperate cost.

Lenar3556 · 19-04-2021 10:01am

sebdavis wrote: »

The two of you are arguing over the gates and automation. Yet you missed the biggest question mark I would have: "Preperation works to include fitting gate posts and moving pavement stones."
If the company is not used to this type of working they could be getting an external contractor in. This could end up in "name your price territory"

Also it mention 3 houses. Spilt down this is 5k per house. Again another reason why a supplier might up the price because 5k per house is not too bad.

The only way the person will find out is go to other supplier. If 3 houses involved I am sure you could all jump into together and do some of the prep work if that is a high cost. Even moving and dumping the paving stones could take a big chuck out

Well we understand the cabling is already in place, so the moving of pavement stones should be localised to the post/underground motor location.

If the gates and equipment was €5k, I was still allowing 3 days for 2 staff at a rather generous €500+vat per day each to bring me to €8k + Vat.

I think the factors you mention could well be in play, but if I was the OP, I would see these amounting to inefficiently in the case of work they are subcontracting at too high a price and opportunism when it comes to the 3 dwelling split.

dreamers75 · 19-04-2021 10:18am

ocallagh wrote: »

Quotation Automation:
2 no. Underground hydraulic motor Nice Runkit 1500kg €660 Each
1 no. Set of safety photocells Included with above 2(with each)
6 no. Remotes €10ea
4 no. Safety edges €50 ea
1 no. Video Intercom with keypad HIvision €440 with 3 monitors
3 no. Hd wifi Monitor Above
1 no. Keypad Hikvision €71
1 no. Gsm phone dialler €25 plus annual charge

All prices taken from a 2021 Access Control catalogue of a leading Dublin provider. Picked a middle of the range NICE motor, they can be more or less.

Seems you are getting hammered with the main body of work.

Lenar3556 · 19-04-2021 10:37am

dreamers75 wrote: »

All prices taken from a 2021 Access Control catalogue of a leading Dublin provider. Picked a middle of the range NICE motor, they can be more or less.

Seems you are getting hammered with the main body of work.

Looks about right. I was allowing €2.5k for all of this + a margin. I think it would cover the automation side. Even if go for the likes of FAAC which is one of the more premium brands, it’s not going to sway it hugely.

silver2020 · 19-04-2021 10:40am

Definitely on the high side.

I was quoted just over €8,000 inc vat last year by a large firm that specialise in automatic gates. They were the highest of 4 quotes which ranged from just over €6,500. Whilst they were the highest, they were not miles ahead and the fact that they do this day in day out and seem to use high standard of equipment meant they were who I was going to go with

Haven't gone ahead with it yet as looking at doing other work on the driveway this summer. But I doubt if the quote has changed much.

Opening is almost 5m, so it was 2 x 2.1m gates, included all works, intercom with keypad & camera, 3 dongles + two internal locations to open the gates. Power is already there.

The €15k quote just is way way over the top

ocallagh · 19-04-2021 8:29pm

Thank you all for your help, much appreciated. We are waiting on two additional quotes now on the back of this thread, and will ask the original company to provide a breakdown of their quote too. I'll update with any further pricing / quotes in the hope it might help someone else down the line..

sebdavis wrote: »

The two of you are arguing over the gates and automation. Yet you missed the biggest question mark I would have: "Preperation works to include fitting gate posts and moving pavement stones."
If the company is not used to this type of working they could be getting an external contractor in. This could end up in "name your price territory"

Also it mention 3 houses. Spilt down this is 5k per house. Again another reason why a supplier might up the price because 5k per house is not too bad.

The only way the person will find out is go to other supplier. If 3 houses involved I am sure you could all jump into together and do some of the prep work if that is a high cost. Even moving and dumping the paving stones could take a big chuck out

The existing paving is loose and sitting on sand, so shouldn't be much more than a few hours work to clear, but you are right - this is something we could easily do and might get the price down, or at least simplify the job.

The 5k per house reasoning had crossed my mind!

ocallagh · 19-04-2021 8:32pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

All prices taken from a 2021 Access Control catalogue of a leading Dublin provider. Picked a middle of the range NICE motor, they can be more or less.

Seems you are getting hammered with the main body of work.

Great info, thanks!

...Ghost... · 20-04-2021 12:32am

From the vantage point of knowing very little about the work involved, it's easy to say the price is very high. Good advice getting more quotes.

I got a ballpark price for a swing and slide gate mix for a 4m opening at 7.5k. That was steel frames with cedar clad. I was curious on the price because I had designed, built and installed my own with raw materials costing around 2k. Finished it last week. My build is a custom swing and sliding gate connected to voice assistant, app, rfid remote and also hardwired to buttons in the house.

enricoh · 20-04-2021 7:53am

ocallagh wrote: »

Thank you all for your help, much appreciated. We are waiting on two additional quotes now on the back of this thread, and will ask the original company to provide a breakdown of their quote too. I'll update with any further pricing / quotes in the hope it might help someone else down the line..

The existing paving is loose and sitting on sand, so shouldn't be much more than a few hours work to clear, but you are right - this is something we could easily do and might get the price down, or at least simplify the job.

The 5k per house reasoning had crossed my mind!

These guys are well used to putting in ground rail for sliding gates which can take a bit of time. Cementing in 2 posts can't be adding too much to the job.
A 1yr warranty is a bit pathetic also, it wouldn't inspire me.
Should have told them it was for 2 houses!

You're probably doing it at the worst time possible, everyone is spending money on their houses and lads are flat out. There is a fair bit of gouging going on. My folks got a quote for solar panels last week that was for suckers only. But there's more than enough suckers biting at the minute!

OConnorDavid · 20-04-2021 9:02am

Hey, I got this quote (end of last year) for swing gates, 4.35m x 1.2m. Power cable and CAT 6a cable installed already.

My quote seems high when you add in the optional extras. The gates are not made in Ireland so that is definitely driving up the price?!

GATE
Design: FLORIANA, swing gate
Posts: 2 No aluminium posts
Colour: Standard Grey
Opening: 4367mm approx between piers
Height: 1200mm approx
Operation: Automatic (see automation costs below) Nett: €4060.00

Shipping
Shipping of gate from France to site
Approx cost only – final costs based on size and weight Nett: €680.00

AUTOMATION & ACCESS
Automation for sliding gate
1 No High speed German type sliding gate motor including
Toothed rack Module5 Nett: €2680.00

Options for Gaining Access to your Property
a) Hand held remote controls x 2 Included
b) Additional remote controls – each Nett: €32.50
c) Standalone keypad – single channel (optional) Nett: €160.00
d) Intercom unit (optional) Nett: €380.00
e) Video intercom unit – standard (optional) Nett: €880.00
f) Wifi video intercom unit connected to mobile phone (optional) Nett: €1200.00
g) Dial to open mobile phone unit (optional)
(SIM card provided by client with PIN & voicemail turned off) Nett: €240.00
h) Exit pulse unit (optional) Nett: €480.00

Safety
2 No Sets of safety sensors
One set mounted on the piers on the external side of the gate
One set mounted on mini pillars on the internal side of the gate Included
1 No Override switch for the safety sensors in the event of a fault Included

Lenar3556 · 20-04-2021 5:49pm

OConnorDavid wrote: »

Hey, I got this quote (end of last year) for swing gates, 4.35m x 1.2m. Power cable and CAT 6a cable installed already.

My quote seems high when you add in the optional extras. The gates are not made in Ireland so that is definitely driving up the price?!

GATE
Design: FLORIANA, swing gate
Posts: 2 No aluminium posts
Colour: Standard Grey
Opening: 4367mm approx between piers
Height: 1200mm approx
Operation: Automatic (see automation costs below) Nett: €4060.00

Shipping
Shipping of gate from France to site
Approx cost only – final costs based on size and weight Nett: €680.00

AUTOMATION & ACCESS
Automation for sliding gate
1 No High speed German type sliding gate motor including
Toothed rack Module5 Nett: €2680.00

Options for Gaining Access to your Property
a) Hand held remote controls x 2 Included
b) Additional remote controls – each Nett: €32.50
c) Standalone keypad – single channel (optional) Nett: €160.00
d) Intercom unit (optional) Nett: €380.00
e) Video intercom unit – standard (optional) Nett: €880.00
f) Wifi video intercom unit connected to mobile phone (optional) Nett: €1200.00
g) Dial to open mobile phone unit (optional)
(SIM card provided by client with PIN & voicemail turned off) Nett: €240.00
h) Exit pulse unit (optional) Nett: €480.00

Safety
2 No Sets of safety sensors
One set mounted on the piers on the external side of the gate
One set mounted on mini pillars on the internal side of the gate Included
1 No Override switch for the safety sensors in the event of a fault Included

I don’t see any word about safety edges in that. There is quite a bit of work in fitting them, but they are a significant safety addition.

Stoner · 22-04-2021 11:15am

To anyone reporting this thread, I am not ignoring the thread or the prices.

There is no rule against seeking advice about prices here, boards is littered with people doing similar things. I genuinely can't see why this forum would be any different

There may have been a rule before, but that charter was removed a long time ago.

There may also be an installers forum where these things are discussed. I was invited to but never joined that forum.

But this is a boards users thread, not an installers thread.

If someone wants to PM me or open a thread with a reason why this thread should be treated differently please do.

Note following consultation with the admins, there is a reference in the charter to prices, it does not say that we can't display costs here, it says that we can't display cash prices, so VAT applies.

Any verbal agreements or agreements made on a private forum do not stand here.

We can definitely look at the charter, and revise it for good reason. Please open a thread and PM me on it of you want to do that. We've made changes on this before.

But I have to stress that traffic to the thread is important and from where I'm standing I often go to boards to check costs, for example I checked a quote I received for car treatment before and found the information useful.

Mentioning businesses etc, raising IR issues or claiming a business has "ripped someone off " is something to report, but someone looking to see if their quote for 5000 euro for an install without naming the business is a reasonable request IMO.

listermint · 22-04-2021 11:22am

Sounds like whomever quoted that mad figure is mad.

And yes it appears to be a mad figure on nothing more than there's three different customers here that I can get to pay. When in reality it's one install with additional peripherals.

ocallagh · 22-04-2021 7:49pm

Quick update, I've received two additional quotes.

- One is for a similar gate, but in Aluminium for 8,500+VAT.
- The second one is a carbon copy of the first quote for 10,200+VAT.

I've also been advised from a builder that even though the original quote seems a lot more, the gate may have more steel in it / be a higher quality and very difficult to compare quotes like this if they are not detailed or broken down. He also mentioned if I really wanted to save money, to get a second hand gate, and just get the posts and automation done professionally, but breaking up a job like this might be hard to find someone to do the work, and also to stand over it.

Everyone who has quoted has said they'll offer a guarantee, and I'm more than happy to pay a reasonable premium for someone to take on the whole job, and provide some support down the line if it's needed.. so going with the 10,200+vat.

Thanks again for the responses!

enricoh · 22-04-2021 8:56pm

Thats more like it- 4800+vat less, not to be sneezed at!

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