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09-01-2019, 00:02   #46
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Of course they will get it. The irony is that after getting it, if Leo calls an election in the Autumn they will be out again.

The budget plus income for the health service is €22bn, that’s €5k for every man, woman and child in the country. If nurses, by far the largest cohort in the health service are undermanned and under paid as claimed by their mouthpiece, where the fcuk is the money being spent?
Consultants. And admin staff.
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But surely they know the pay conditions before taking up nursing?

They should be forced to work a set number of years in Ireland if they do courses subsidized by the tax payer.

This idea of getting the degree here then moving to another country is bonkers.

Is they pay for it themselves then they can do what they want.
Nobody becomes a nurse for the money. They become nurses to help people.
But when you're working 13 hour days in overcrowded wards, with screaming children, injured and dying adults and deraganged and demented elderly, forced to work by yourself because the ward is only half staffed, forced to lift people you can't physically lift and working back to back day and night shifts, when people are screaming at you because they are forced to queue, abusing you because a family member is forced onto a trolloy, physically and sexually assaulting you because they're off their face on drink and drugs, maybe the thoughts that the canteen workers are earning more than you and the conditions are only getting worse would make you consider emigrating for a better life.


Near every single person will be in a hospital getting life saving care at some point in their life. When that time comes, you'll want your nurses to be rested and attentive and to be capable of giving the best of care.
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37 hours, average salary is 55k per annum not including overtime
I’m laughing at this €55k per annum.
I’m a pre 2010 graduate and my salary won’t go higher than €47k. Also, just to add I’m very happy with my salary. However, I know it’s not the same for nurses who have qualified since 2010.
Please link your source re the €55k average!!

With regard to working hours.
The reality is that nurses are contracted to do specific hours but we end up doing more. I’m not complaining about that. It’s just the reality that the ordinary jo soap doesn’t understand.
For example you are contracted for a shift 07:30-20:30. You need to be on the ward for report from night staff at 7am. Also, like another poster said, you can’t just walk off the ward at 20:30. I have often left work at 21:00-21:30. That’s just the way it is. You’ll never get those hours back though..
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Nursing pay is an absolute disgrace.

I am not a nurse, have a distant friend who is a nurse but that's about it.

They get free 3rd level college granted, so does every other 3rd level student.

They work placement throughout their course for no wage in their first 3 years and they have no say on where they get placed.

They start off at 24k a year after 4 years of college.

Nui hospital in Galway recently had a position advertised for the laundry room starting off at 26k a year. No education or experience required.

Joke of system we have
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How much extra tax are you willing to pay for their rise?
Bet he or she doesn't pay any tax.
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Bet he or she doesn't pay any tax.
I pay lots of tax, and this countries tax money is wasted in the billions every year.

I'd be far happier to see if pay nurses wages that any of the "consultants" and working groups and
think tanks the government employ.
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Nursing pay is an absolute disgrace.

I am not a nurse, have a distant friend who is a nurse but that's about it.

They get free 3rd level college granted, so does every other 3rd level student.
Why am I paying 3.5k in fees for my daughter then?

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They work placement throughout their course for no wage in their first 3 years and they have no say on where they get placed.
That's part of their education.

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They start off at 24k a year after 4 years of college.
That's not bad at all for a starting salary. Cue the comparisons with top end 1% Google programmers.

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Nui hospital in Galway recently had a position advertised for the laundry room starting off at 26k a year. No education or experience required.

Joke of system we have
The laundry room position will still be stuck down at that level several years hence.
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I pay lots of tax, and this countries tax money is wasted in the billions every year.

I'd be far happier to see if pay nurses wages that any of the "consultants" and working groups and
think tanks the government employ.
I can't argue with you there. Where I can argue is that there are lots of nurses. And it won't stop there. The whole public sector will want parity. We already vastly overpay our public sector workers. We are still up to our eyeballs in debt. Brexit is around the corner. And the private sector workers will foot the bill as usual.
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I can't argue with you there. Where I can argue is that there are lots of nurses. And it won't stop there. The whole public sector will want parity. We already vastly overpay our public sector workers. We are still up to our eyeballs in debt. Brexit is around the corner. And the private sector workers will foot the bill as usual.
If nurses are overpaid why is there a shortage of them? Same for NCHDs and consultants? Why can't the jobs be filled if they are paid so well?
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Why am I paying 3.5k in fees for my daughter then?

That's part of their education.

That's not bad at all for a starting salary. Cue the comparisons with top end 1% Google programmers.

The laundry room position will still be stuck down at that level several years hence.
They pay fees same as everyone.

Most peoples placements are paid through a stipend. Student nurses are just used as free labour to plug the gaps in understaffed wards.

Most starting salaries jump up by quite a bit after a year or two, nurses don't. Euro per hour, theyre usually below minimum wage for the first few years, given all the free hours they put in weekly.

The laundry room employee didn't need to fork out 50k putting themselves through college and will have a better work environment than a newly qualified nurse.

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I can't argue with you there. Where I can argue is that there are lots of nurses. And it won't stop there. The whole public sector will want parity. We already vastly overpay our public sector workers. We are still up to our eyeballs in debt. Brexit is around the corner. And the private sector workers will foot the bill as usual.
I understand that position, but we're only in this situation because we have a weak government.

It's ridiculous that when one sector strikes, so does the next. Bus driver, Luas and train drivers do it almost yearly.

But when one sector is so underpaid to the point where they're losing staff, paying agency staff and standards are at rock bottom, something has to give. I find it ridiculous that anyone would go into nursing given the conditions, and I have no problem with anyone emigrating to better employment opportunities.

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37 hours, average salary is 55k per annum not including overtime
No . Wrong.

Nursing Working week is 39.5 hours excluding the meal breaks( most nurses don't get time to take a meal break anyway). You must be thinking of your office job. And 1.5 of that is unpaid since the crash, was 38 hours.
Also nurses while public servants, mostly do not work Monday to Friday or 9 to 5 , so only get to pay the rent by working nights and weekends.
Average salary for a registered nurse is 31 k going up to 45 k after 13 years! Guards and teachers earn on average 8 to 10 k more. Nurses and teachers are both degree courses, guards are not.
Most nurses have Higher Diplomas in specialist areas as well and even more have Masters in their speciality and teach others while doing their jobs.

I don't know any parent who would encourage their children to go to uni when there are so many jobs out there not requiring half the effort, expertise or education paying so much more these days. But still people want to do it because they just love it and get a buzz out of the job itself and the great people they work . Hopefully someday maybe they might get the recognition and pay to encourage them to stay working in the health service . And therein lies the problem.
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How much do you put on your life? Your family’s? Loved ones? You want the best healthcare and you want it now, but you don’t think you should pay too much for it?
The reality is we pay one of the highest costs per capita for quite frankly a poor health service. Seeing my mother in excruciating pain for 3 years waiting for a hip replacement was ample evidence of that. Now I'm not blaming nurses for that but a root and branch reform of the health service is needed. It's not a bottomless pit.
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They pay fees same as everyone.

Most peoples placements are paid through a stipend. Student nurses are just used as free labour to plug the gaps in understaffed wards.

Most starting salaries jump up by quite a bit after a year or two, nurses don't. Euro per hour, theyre usually below minimum wage for the first few years, given all the free hours they put in weekly.

The laundry room employee didn't need to fork out 50k putting themselves through college and will have a better work environment than a newly qualified nurse.
Not attacking nurses specifically but then they should become laundry room employees instead if it's so much better.
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Not attacking nurses specifically but then they should become laundry room employees instead if it's so much better.
That's why there's such a problem recruiting. People are choosing other professions for an easier and better life.
Ireland is hiring more and more foreign staff to make up the shortfall.

And remember that many other countries like the UK are in the same boat, and they pay better than us. So you wonder what the level is of foreign nurses working in Ireland when there are so many better opportunities out there.
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Also, like another poster said, you can’t just walk off the ward at 20:30. I have often left work at 21:00-21:30...
That's ok if it happens once in a blue moon

If it's happening all the time and yer putting up with it , it's just martydom


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..........That’s just the way it is. You’ll never get those hours back though..
Total up the hours and get them off a future days shift ( get a half-day or something )

DON'T accept cash for the excess hours - they love fixing cr@p by just firing money at it



Just stop work in plenty time and do your notes so you are out the door at 20:30



Unless there is a bus crash or something, you stop in good time and do yer notes and gtf out the door


It's abuse at the moment. Plain and simple.

F*ck that, change it


You will just kill someone by going on strike and it will fix absolutely nothing

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