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10-02-2019, 22:06   #211
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About 3,000 women each week in the UK experience rape or attempted rape or assault by penetration.


Are these tiny number of incidents really that 'interesting' in the context of the overall problems of violence against women? Are they a bit of a distraction for anyone who is really concerned about solving violence against women?
It's not just about violence, it's about the erosion of women's sex based rights.
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Anyone can change their identity at any time. It's nothing to do with gender.


http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en...deed_poll.html
A deed poll is just a piece of paper that says you promise to go by the new name. If you want a passport with your new name you have to show evidence you've been using the name for a couple of years.
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About 3,000 women each week in the UK experience rape or attempted rape or assault by penetration.


Are these tiny number of incidents really that 'interesting' in the context of the overall problems of violence against women? Are they a bit of a distraction for anyone who is really concerned about solving violence against women?
Ok what!? You're allowed to find something interesting or worthy of a comment without having to mention all the other greater evils. That's called whataboutery I believe.
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It's not just about violence, it's about the erosion of women's sex based rights.

Though no such rights have been eroded in three years of self-identification here in Ireland.


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A deed poll is just a piece of paper that says you promise to go by the new name. If you want a passport with your new name you have to show evidence you've been using the name for a couple of years.
That's right, in fact, you don't need a deed poll at all - anyone can just change their name at any time and start using their new name.


So why all the fuss about gender identity changes?
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Ok what!? You're allowed to find something interesting or worthy of a comment without having to mention all the other greater evils. That's called whataboutery I believe.
You can call it what you like, but it certainly puts into context the stated concerns about protecting women from being raped.


I'd have thought that anyone who was really genuinely concerned about protecting women from being raped might like to prioritise doing something about some of the very real, current, actual causes of women being raped, instead of obsessing with potential, future causes from other jurisdictions which don't really apply to the Irish legal scenario.
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I see Stephanie has got the local police force to arrest another person for tweeting her dead name.

It’s reported in the daily mail but to not make the paper that reported it the issue I’ll link instead to the mumsnet discussion on it.

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_...ws-Sunday-Mail
Excellent, and fair play. You have managed to find a thread that the gender Stasi haven't managed to shut down. How long will it last I wonder.
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That's right, in fact, you don't need a deed poll at all - anyone can just change their name at any time and start using their new name.


So why all the fuss about gender identity changes?
Well you can't actually change your gender, you're born male or female and all the surgery and hormones don't change that.

As for changing your identity. Well if I want to be known as 'Robert Wolfe' irl, it'll be at least 2 years before I'll get a passport with that name.
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Does anyone have an opinion on the cotton ceiling?
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Does anyone have an opinion on the cotton ceiling?
Yeah, it's kinda a gross term as apparently the cotton refers to 'underwear'.

Seriously though. Are transgenders equally proportionally attracted to ppl of their opposite preferred gender in the same way 90% of cisgender are attracted to their opposite sex.


Oh forget it, I've giving myself a headache.
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According to their Twitter, Stephanie is soon to commence legal proceedings against Associated Newspapers Limited for daring to report on this. I'm amazed she has the money for all these legal proceedings. That, or it's all bull****, I'm yet to hear of one actually taking place.

Either way, I'm sure Stephanie is loving the attention.
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According to their Twitter, Stephanie is soon to commence legal proceedings against Associated Newspapers Limited for daring to report on this. I'm amazed they have the money for all these legal proceedings. That, or it's all bull****, I'm yet to hear of one actually taking place.

Either way, I'm sure Stephanie is loving the attention.
As far as I know, it costs newspapers (usually the more tabloid types) more not to publish articles that could result in litigation - the circulation/clicks figures far exceeding the legal costs. I'd say their legal departments are always pretty busy.
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The UK are revising their policy regarding trans identifying male prisoners being transferred to female prisons, after violence against women in prisons from males, and

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after officials forecast that numbers of trans or non-binary prisoners in England and Wales could rise to 1,000, up from 139 last year. There are about 4,000 biological women in prison
So, trans prisoners will now most likely have separate wings in the prison. Which should have been what was done in the first place. The government have probably been scared off because of potential law suits.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ings-6b2xpr88g

And in other news the UK Office for Students, the Commission for Countering Extremism, the National Union of Students (NUS) and Universities UK in cooperation with the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) have issued guidance to Universities advising against deplatforming people with views that have of late been described as ''hate speech'' or triggering ie the biological stance on sex etc. People holding views that are not acceptable to some are perfectly entitled to think and argue their opinions.

So, things are perhaps beginning to move towards a rational balance.
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Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1094931865318948864?s=19
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Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/st...318948864?s=19
Thanks for sharing that.
I don't know where those story comes from. it even popped up after again after that statement was made.

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Looks like someone was telling porkies about Ian Huntley, while the angry mob with flaming pitchforks here and on Mumsnet just gobbled up all the spoofing

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/st...318948864?s=19
In his attempts to smear trans people, Linehan repeated this lie a lot. I wonder if he'll have the decency to apologise.
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