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JDERIC2017 · 18-12-2020 11:45pm

Hermy wrote: »

Here's a link to the record as it appears on the NLI site...

https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633736#page/139/mode/1up

Often adult marriages were because of a change of faith - was it a mixed marriage?

Thanks, I don’t think it was mixed and I am not sure if this is the correct Margaret Brophy, but I do know William and Ann were her parents names from another record I have.

Hermy · 18-12-2020 11:53pm

Perhaps it's just a slip of the pen but looking at that baptism record the fathers surname does not look like Brophy.

spurious · 19-12-2020 12:26am

The Church records on irishgenealogy transcribe the father's name as Gulielmo Breakey Brophy.

**edit
Mary Jane Breakey, same parents (William Breakey/Anne Turner) was an adult baptism in St. Paul's Arran quay in 1872 (born 1853)
William given as deceased and Anne Turner residence given as Dundalk
Bottom of page, entry 2017(746)
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633673#page/147/mode/1up
Note on that one says adult conv. baptism

Mick Tator · 19-12-2020 12:52am

Hermy wrote: »

Perhaps it's just a slip of the pen but looking at that baptism record the fathers surname does not look like Brophy.

I agree - it looks like Breakey

Also
the Latin is adulta neo conversa [xxxxx] a ministello baptizata nunc sub conditione
meaning - Adult new(ly) converted [xxxx] by the minister baptised conditionally.
In those days the RCC did not recognise CoI baptisms.

She was born (Natus column) in 1851
(There is another convert baptism further up the page).

@Spurious - I should have typed faster!

Spook_ie · 02-01-2021 12:19am

OK copperplate and a slightly messed up register

Irishgeneology.ie

Link to Uploaded file

Really stuck on Column 5 ( fathers name ) and Column 7 (fathers occupation ) for line 70, I was led to believe that John McAuley was his father but I can't make a John out of that writing

Also trying to think why would they have needed the authorised changes made in 1941 as noted in the margin.

Pistachio19 · 02-01-2021 12:22am

Spook_ie wrote: »

OK copperplate and a slightly messed up register

Link to Uploaded file

Really stuck on Column 5 ( fathers name ) and Column 7 (fathers occupation ) for line 70, I was led to believe that John McAuley was his father but I can't make a John out of that writing

Also trying to think why would they have needed the authorised changes made in 1941 as noted in the margin.

It's John Mc Auley alright but I can't make out the profession.

Hermy · 02-01-2021 12:26am

Compositor?

pinkypinky · 02-01-2021 12:36am

Agree, compositor. Presumably these people in 1901.

The handwriting as original and the correction look to be the same spelling - why the correction at all?

Spook_ie · 02-01-2021 12:37am

Thank you all

Hermy · 02-01-2021 12:39am

pinkypinky wrote: »

Agree, compositor. Presumably these people in 1901.

The handwriting as original and the correction look to be the same spelling - why the correction at all?

Would it be something to do with the previous entry which is also McAuley?

Spook_ie · 02-01-2021 12:48am

Hermy wrote: »

Would it be something to do with the previous entry which is also McAuley?

Don't know, 1941 too early for Charles McAuley to be looking for a pension at 48 and Charles married in 1922 so nothing to do with marriages, hadn't thought if it was to do with the earlier entry

Hermy · 02-01-2021 1:26am

Is it to do with the spelling of McAuley in your entry which appears to have been corrected from McAulay, the spelling of the name in the previous entry?

Link to the image from the Irish Genealogy website which is a lot easier to view and enlarge...

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02284/1857118.pdf

Mumha · 02-01-2021 10:29pm

Could anyone decipher attached Marriage cert, both fathers first name, for Patrick and Ellen. I must admit I've been staring at it for ages without success. Thanks

spurious · 02-01-2021 10:52pm

The bottom one looks like Denis. I'm guessing the top one is too.

A New earth · 02-01-2021 11:05pm

Yes first one is definitely Denis. Died a year earlier
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06511/4875322.pdf

Hermy · 02-01-2021 11:58pm

Mod Note: Where possible could posters please link to the source of the image that interests them.

Spook_ie · 03-01-2021 1:54am

OK here's where yesterdays led me to,

https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633838#page/65/mode/1up

Scroll down to line 696 of 12th of July 1893

I can make out some of it
Like
Thomas Bergin and Margarita?
Dominick Street and Bath Avenue Bride and Groom addresses?
Peter? and Elizabeth Bergin Grooms Parents?
Some body and somebody ( Margaritas parents ) Brides Parents
Denunciations ( what are they? )
12th July 1893
M Butterfield Is that the priest?
Thomas Byrne and Anne Somebody? Witnesses?
Haddington Road and 9 something? square Witness addresses maybe

And I'm guessing what some of the column names are.

What ever you can decipher is appreciated

Mumha · 03-01-2021 2:10am

A New earth wrote: »

Yes first one is definitely Denis. Died a year earlier
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06511/4875322.pdf

Excellent, thanks very much

A New earth · 03-01-2021 2:17am

This might help from irishgenealogy.ie

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10607/5864407.pdf

Spook_ie · 03-01-2021 2:29am

A New earth wrote: »

This might help from irishgenealogy.ie

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1893/10607/5864407.pdf

Well it certainly helps with the fathers names Pierce and William

Brides name looks like Seery?

A New earth · 03-01-2021 2:43am

Yes Seery, a well known Irish surname

https://barrygriffin.com/surname-maps/surnames.php?irish-surname=seery

Hermy · 03-01-2021 10:27am

Thomas Bergin of 51 Lower Dominick Street, son of Peter and Elizabeth Bergin married Elizabeth Seery of 57 Bath Avenue, daughter of William Seery and Elizabeth Quinn.

Priest is M. Butterfield.

Witnesses are Thomas Byrne of Haddington Road and Anne Quinn of 9 Vavasour Square.

The words under Denunciations look like Banns and Dispensation but I'm never sure about what these mean.

As well as the civil record New Earth linked to, this links to another scan of the church record as it appear on Irish Genealogy. Image quality is much the same but sometimes having the two to work from can help with deciphering.

spurious · 03-01-2021 2:06pm

The banns were dispensed with. There was more than likely a reason to not hang around before marrying. The birth of Thomas William in September 1893 might explain things.
This wasn't at all uncommon. I have many instances of it in my own gang.

Spook_ie · 03-01-2021 2:35pm

Hermy wrote: »

Thomas Bergin of 51 Lower Dominick Street, son of Peter and Elizabeth Bergin married Elizabeth Seery of 57 Bath Avenue, daughter of William Seery and Elizabeth Quinn.

Priest is M. Butterfield.

Witnesses are Thomas Byrne of Haddington Road and Anne Quinn of 9 Vavasour Square.

The words under Denunciations look like Banns and Dispensation but I'm never sure about what these mean.

As well as the civil record New Earth linked to, this links to another scan of the church record as it appear on Irish Genealogy. Image quality is much the same but sometimes having the two to work from can help with deciphering.

Thanks, do you think it would be safe to assume that Quinn is the mothers maiden name or not?

Hermy · 03-01-2021 5:54pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

Thanks, do you think it would be safe to assume that Quinn is the mothers maiden name or not?

It's quite likely but you need to find something to confirm it.

montgo · 05-01-2021 10:15am

Hi,
Need help with this marriage record on 20th Nov 1871 of Richard & Grace (Right hand page)

What is the word on left column underneath Fitzgerald name here?
Many thanks

Hermy · 05-01-2021 10:35am

As per the civil record where Fitzgerald appears in the left margin I'm assuming it refers to the name of the priest who performed the service so I wonder is the word underneath it a reference to his parish or something along those lines?

montgo · 05-01-2021 10:48am

Many thanks for that, Hermy. That seems logical.

hblock21 · 05-01-2021 9:08pm

Could someone please confirm Denis O'Neills father's name?

Is it Edward?

Final marriage on page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11338/8161442.pdf
Party 1 Name DENIS ONEILL
Party 2 Name MARGARET COFFEY
Date of Event 24 January 1871
Group Registration ID 2745534
SR District/Reg Area Clonmel

tabbey · 05-01-2021 9:13pm

hblock21 wrote: »

Could someone please confirm Denis O'Neills father's name?

Is it Edward?

Final marriage on page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11338/8161442.pdf
Party 1 Name DENIS ONEILL
Party 2 Name MARGARET COFFEY
Date of Event 24 January 1871
Group Registration ID 2745534
SR District/Reg Area Clonmel

Edmond.
Same name really.

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