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Why are men more homophobic compared to women?

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    #212
    Roger Hassenforder
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    wiggle16 wrote: »
    The inside-the-thigh which-vegetable-is-it guessing game is .... intriguing.

    All the while she desperate to be penetrated....
    She must have been demented


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    #213
    puppieperson1
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    in answer to the original question - women like gay s cos they wont rape them or spike their drinks or try to dis respect them, they will chat and have goo old fashioned fun . men being self centred as they are dont like gays cos they think they will rape them or spike their drinks or feel them up. its a role reversal really and shows that men truly love themselves and look out for them selves only.


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    #214
    wiggle16
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    Andreas77 wrote: »
    I have made in last twelve months alone, vegetable terrine (gelatinous body formed with agar agar), rick stein recipe scallops, Portuguese eel cooked in own blood (didn’t like), monk fish curry, Indonesian curry with hake, jack-fruit burger, steak tartare, homemade rye bread, homemade sourdough including production of yeast, Japanese noodles in peanut satay, Indian dosas with homemade chutneys, lentil dhals, lasagne with homemade pasta, homemade ravioli, wagyu steaks cooked rare with perfect charring served with giant couscous salad, risotto (didn’t like), seafood paella, variety of homemade pasta sauces, production of Wensleydale cheese from scratch, lamb tagine with couscous, squash with coriander and Greek yogurt starter. Also bought cocktail recipe book with first steps taken (purchase of mixers)

    Okaaay, so the six-burner is earning its keep in that case!!

    Where are you from, Andreas? Are you from Ireland? Abroad? Are you from the future?


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    #215
    coffee_cake
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    i know all about a gelatinous body :(


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    #216
    Sardonicat
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    wiggle16 wrote: »
    The inside-the-thigh which-vegetable-is-it guessing game is .... intriguing.

    Brussel sprouts or parsnips?


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    #217
    cloudatlas
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    Women who date homophobic men should watch out, men who are homophobic also despise women for their femininity and perceived weakness.


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    #218
    Sardonicat
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    Andreas77 wrote: »
    production of Wensleydale cheese from scratch

    Wallace? ! ! !


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    #219
    One eyed Jack
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Women who date homophobic men should watch out, men who are homophobic also despise women for their femininity and perceived weakness.


    I’m skeptical of a claim like that which makes any sort of a correlation between men who aren’t “au fait with the gay”, and how they perceive or treat women.

    “Homophobic” as I’ve since come to learn, can mean anything, from the point of view of the accuser.


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    #220
    cloudatlas
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I’m skeptical of a claim like that which makes any sort of a correlation between men who aren’t “au fait with the gay”, and how they perceive or treat women.

    “Homophobic” as I’ve since come to learn, can mean anything, from the point of view of the accuser.

    It's simple, if a man despises another man for his perceived campness, weakness, fey and feminine traits it's a safe bet that he deep down despises women for their femininity and their similar traits and perceives them as lesser.


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    #221
    Wibbs
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    wiggle16 wrote: »
    Where are you from, Andreas? Are you from Ireland? Abroad? Are you from the future?
    While others may be channelling Sir Dave Attenborough, I'm hearing it all in a Germanic or Scandinavian monotone.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #222
    cloudatlas
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    In a nutshell misogyny. Homophobia is hatred of women repackaged, Homophobes are usually preoccupied with the sexual activities of gay men i.e. anal sex, men in leather ass less chaps etc., and gay men are perceived as taking on the woman's role, so by extension women are despised. The woman's role is less-than. In a culture where men hold the most power men who take on a woman's role willingly are going to frighten some men notably homophobes and misogynists. Misogyny and homophobia are often coupled together in my experience.


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    #223
    ILoveYourVibes
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    I don't think men are more homophobic that women at all.


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    #224
    Silentcorner
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    In a nutshell misogyny. Homophobia is hatred of women repackaged, Homophobes are usually preoccupied with the sexual activities of gay men i.e. anal sex, men in leather ass less chaps etc., and gay men are perceived as taking on the woman's role, so by extension women are despised. The woman's role is less-than. In a culture where men hold the most power men who take on a woman's role willingly are going to frighten some men notably homophobes and misogynists. Misogyny and homophobia are often coupled together in my experience.

    I think we can all guess what social media rabbit hole you have been spending your time in...life is too short girl!


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    #225
    Feisar
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    In a nutshell misogyny. Homophobia is hatred of women repackaged, Homophobes are usually preoccupied with the sexual activities of gay men i.e. anal sex, men in leather ass less chaps etc., and gay men are perceived as taking on the woman's role, so by extension women are despised. The woman's role is less-than. In a culture where men hold the most power men who take on a woman's role willingly are going to frighten some men notably homophobes and misogynists. Misogyny and homophobia are often coupled together in my experience.

    I think you are looking at backward cultures, seeing both and deciding there is a correlation. There may not be.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #226
    One eyed Jack
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's simple, if a man despises another man for his perceived campness, weakness, fey and feminine traits it's a safe bet that he deep down despises women for their femininity and their similar traits and perceives them as lesser.


    Campness, weakness, effeminate traits have very little to do with a man’s sexual orientation. A man could have those traits and be either straight or gay, there’s simply no way to know without him telling you. Having said that, whether he was gay or straight I wouldn’t have much time for that sort of demeanour anyway.

    I still wouldn’t view men like that in the same way I’d view women. They’re two completely different sexes for one thing. It seems like you’re working off the premise that men who you might consider to be homophobic would be concerned about gender equality, and would therefore treat effeminate men like they do women.

    That’s why I was skeptical, because I wouldn’t be thinking like that at all myself. I’d be considered homophobic because I’m not on board with the whole idea, but that has no bearing upon how I perceive women. The critical difference being that women aren’t men, so I wouldn’t treat them as though they’re the same thing anyway.


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    #227
    Feisar
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    All this talk of weakness, I'm still not taking on Gareth Thomas in a fight!

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #228
    wakka12
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    I don't think men are more homophobic that women at all.

    Are you gay..? Ask any gay man or woman and theyll say women are less homophobic, or less vocal about their homophobia at least


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    #229
    cloudatlas
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    Silentcorner wrote: »
    I think we can all guess what social media rabbit hole you have been spending your time in...life is too short girl!

    What???


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    #230
    wakka12
    Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I dont know how related it is to misogyny, its an interesting theory but the type of guys who are homophobic and misogynistic are also always racist and just generally intolerant and hateful towards anyone they can be


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    #231
    cloudatlas
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    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Campness, weakness, effeminate traits have very little to do with a man’s sexual orientation. A man could have those traits and be either straight or gay, there’s simply no way to know without him telling you. Having said that, whether he was gay or straight I wouldn’t have much time for that sort of demeanour anyway.

    I still wouldn’t view men like that in the same way I’d view women. They’re two completely different sexes for one thing. It seems like you’re working off the premise that men who you might consider to be homophobic would be concerned about gender equality, and would therefore treat effeminate men like they do women.

    That’s why I was skeptical, because I wouldn’t be thinking like that at all myself. I’d be considered homophobic because I’m not on board with the whole idea, but that has no bearing upon how I perceive women. The critical difference being that women aren’t men, so I wouldn’t treat them as though they’re the same thing anyway.

    Well I not sure what you mean by 'that sort of demeanour' if you don't mean feminine qualities. Also... 'I’m not on board with the whole idea' sounds ominous. Yet you wouldn't be comfortable being called a homophobe, you just want to be called something nice and fluffy and cuddly instead... how about 'gay averse'.... 'homo anxiety' 'queer dread'. Any of them sound nicer, safer?


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    #232
    One eyed Jack
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    I dont know how related it is to misogyny, its an interesting theory but the type of guys who are homophobic and misogynistic are also always racist and just generally intolerant and hateful towards anyone they can be


    A post like that wakka had me think of this tbh -


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA0aKjY8K50


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    #233
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    I dont know how related it is to misogyny, its an interesting theory but the type of guys who are homophobic and misogynistic are also always racist and just generally intolerant and hateful towards anyone they can be

    The amount of actual misogynist and homophobic men is very small, a few percent at most. They are a very loud few percent. It was much worse back in the 80s and before.

    The amount of straight men uncomfortable or dare I say it repulsed watching or in the vicinity of gay sex would be far higher. Those same men could have gay friends or children who they support and love 100%.

    Misogyny is most often seen in men raised by a doting mother and emotionally absent father. The type of upbringing that encourages a god complex. Often this is coupled with racism and homophobia.

    Boys sexually abused by men are scarred for life. Boys sexually abused by women are celebrated as are their abusers. Look at the current French president.and his wife, a paedophile. Had it been the other way round, ie he was a middle aged schoolteacher who had a sexual realtionship with Mrs. Macron when she was his 14 year old student there would be no end of outrage.

    Women who constantly go on about misogyny generally hate men and are incredibly boring to talk to.

    This thread is full of rambling sh1te so I thought I'd add my 2c.


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    #234
    Ironicname
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    puppieperson1 wrote:
    in answer to the original question - women like gay s cos they wont rape them or spike their drinks or try to dis respect them, they will chat and have goo old fashioned fun . men being self centred as they are dont like gays cos they think they will rape them or spike their drinks or feel them up. its a role reversal really and shows that men truly love themselves and look out for them selves only.

    Yeah.... That's not true at all.
    cloudatlas wrote:
    It's simple, if a man despises another man for his perceived campness, weakness, fey and feminine traits it's a safe bet that he deep down despises women for their femininity and their similar traits and perceives them as lesser.

    Not in the slightest. It's far from a safe bet.
    cloudatlas wrote:
    In a nutshell misogyny. Homophobia is hatred of women repackaged, Homophobes are usually preoccupied with the sexual activities of gay men i.e. anal sex, men in leather ass less chaps etc., and gay men are perceived as taking on the woman's role, so by extension women are despised. The woman's role is less-than. In a culture where men hold the most power men who take on a woman's role willingly are going to frighten some men notably homophobes and misogynists. Misogyny and homophobia are often coupled together in my experience.

    You have very different experiences than me.


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    #235
    One eyed Jack
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Well I not sure what you mean by 'that sort of demeanour' if you don't mean feminine qualities. Also... 'I’m not on board with the whole idea' sounds ominous. Yet you wouldn't be comfortable being called a homophobe, you just want to be called something nice and fluffy and cuddly instead... how about 'gay averse'.... 'homo anxiety' 'queer dread'. Any of them sound nicer, safer?


    I don’t mean feminine qualities because I don’t associate men behaving camply with femininity. They’re still men. They’re just incredibly nauseating men.

    I didn’t mean to imply I wouldn’t be comfortable with you suggesting I’m homophobic on the basis that me saying I’m not on board with the whole idea sounds ominous to you. I knew it would sound ominous to you, but I didn’t really care whether or not you think I’m homophobic, I was more interested in the association you were making between homophobia in men, and how they perceive women, as though they perceive women the same way they perceive camp men. You don’t have to take my word for it, but I can assure you that’s not how these things actually pan out in reality.

    And as for the idea that women should watch out for the sort of men whom you regard as homophobic on the basis of how they perceive camp men, that they would treat women the same? I don’t imagine there’s anything more than supposition behind that idea either.


    Edit: In short cloudatlas, and with the greatest of respect, I think you’re making a lot of assumptions that I can see how they’d make sense to you, but I don’t agree with the conclusions you’re coming to is all.


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    #236
    cj maxx
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    Are you gay..? Ask any gay man or woman and theyll say women are less homophobic, or less vocal about their homophobia at least
    I think that's it, women tend to be less vocal about it . Makes their homophobia more insidious imo


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    #237
    cj maxx
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    It's simple, if a man despises another man for his perceived campness, weakness, fey and feminine traits it's a safe bet that he deep down despises women for their femininity and their similar traits and perceives them as lesser.
    Bull****


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    #238
    Reviews and Books Galore
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    cloudatlas wrote: »
    In a nutshell misogyny. Homophobia is hatred of women repackaged, Homophobes are usually preoccupied with the sexual activities of gay men i.e. anal sex, men in leather ass less chaps etc., and gay men are perceived as taking on the woman's role, so by extension women are despised. The woman's role is less-than. In a culture where men hold the most power men who take on a woman's role willingly are going to frighten some men notably homophobes and misogynists. Misogyny and homophobia are often coupled together in my experience.




    Hmmm, men hold the most power?


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    #239
    nthclare
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    Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »
    Hmmm, men hold the most power?

    As Jock Ewing said, "nobody gives you power" real power is something you take...

    In my opinion Jock Ewing from Dallas was a real portrayal of the alpha man.
    Loved his wife and kid's, stood up for what he thought was right.

    Told JR to look after Sue Ellen

    Put Bobby in his place now and again, treated his son Ray like the other boy's...

    He had fathered Ray out if wedlock but it took year's to find out he was Ray's dad

    Said it as it is, never sulked or held a resentment.

    He thought of principles over personality.

    Sadly the alpha male is dwindling...

    But eventually history repeats itself, he will rise up out of the ashes..


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