Deep Space Nine Runthrough

The Black Oil · 27-10-2016 3:07pm

Really like the O' Brien/Bashir relationship, it's great. A real strength of the show.

27-10-2016 4:21pm

I'm on the final season now and.. it really is hard to get used to Ezri Dax. The biggest issue is that Jadzia, since her from introduction, was a complete and utter badass, who was respected by even Klingons for her badassry. And then Ezri gets introduced and she's spent the first few episodes being so meek and pitiful.

Something I really love is that DS9 gives us a real feeling of what living in wartime would be like. This is something I can't recall any other Trek show doing.

Question: How should we deal with spoilers?

This show has been out for a very long time with every episode available, so should we treat spoilers as fair game?

Erring on the side of caution.

I recently watched the episode of

Nog returning after losing his leg

and it gives a real sense of what PSD might be like. I loved his confession at the end that he's just so scared.

ScumLord · 28-10-2016 2:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm on the final season now and.. it really is hard to get used to Ezri Dax. The biggest issue is that Jadzia, since her from introduction, was a complete and utter badass, who was respected by even Klingons for her badassry. And then Ezri gets introduced and she's spent the first few episodes being so meek and pitiful.

I suppose over time she could have grown into her role. From what I remember she was an emergency surrogate which was the excuse to change the character so much. We only got to see jadzia but even then she always said she was different from the previous hosts.

I recently watched the episode of
Nog returning after losing his leg
and it gives a real sense of what PSD might be like. I loved his confession at the end that he's just so scared.

The medical side of DS9 always sort of annoyed me, maybe it's another case of being restricted by what was known at the time, but I wouldn't have expected any limb or organ replacement to ever be an issue. Considering we're probably no more than 50 years away from tech that will be far more advanced than anything seen on star trek it's just another example of writers not thinking outside of the box. They talk about technology like nanobots but don't seem to be aware of the actual potential of any of the tech.

28-10-2016 2:30pm

ScumLord wrote: »

I suppose over time she could have grown into her role. From what I remember she was an emergency surrogate which was the excuse to change the character so much. We only got to see jadzia but even then she always said she was different from the previous hosts.

The medical side of DS9 always sort of annoyed me, maybe it's another case of being restricted by what was known at the time, but I wouldn't have expected any limb or organ replacement to ever be an issue. Considering we're probably no more than 50 years away from tech that will be far more advanced than anything seen on star trek it's just another example of writers not thinking outside of the box. They talk about technology like nanobots but don't seem to be aware of the actual potential of any of the tech.

Regardless of the repair, seeing your leg blown off your body (or mangled beyond repair) is still a MAJOR physical and mental trauma...

People can get PTSD from seeing things, never mind the event actually happenning to them

ScumLord · 28-10-2016 3:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Regardless of the repair, seeing your leg blown off your body (or mangled beyond repair) is still a MAJOR physical and mental trauma...

People can get PTSD from seeing things, never mind the event actually happenning to them

True but now that I think back on the story more, I think Nogs real issue was his own fear when it happened. He saw himself as a hero able to do anything but when his life was actually on the line he was afraid and screamed out.

28-10-2016 4:21pm

ScumLord wrote: »

True but now that I think back on the story more, I think Nogs real issue was his own fear when it happened. He saw himself as a hero able to do anything but when his life was actually on the line he was afraid and screamed out.

I'm not sure if he ever saw himself as a hero. Always saw him more as someone who wanted to prove that he could do it - that he could join Starfleet and actually succeed. And when finally had the opportunity to do it, he failed - twice.

The first time was with that specialist Starfleet Academy bunch, who had their own starship and tried to destroy the Dominion prototype fighter, but failed, with the destruction of their ship and the deaths of most of the crew.

And then during the siege, where he lost his leg.

Everyone else saw him as a hero, because they were able to locate the Jem'Hadar base because of Nog, yet losing his leg was just what broke the camel's back.

degrassinoel · 28-10-2016 7:12pm

Thought that episode was more about Nog coming to terms with (hiding/living in the holosuite with Vic) and accepting his own mortality (his realisation of and admission of his fear)

The_Valeyard · 02-11-2016 2:27am

Was watching a really bad sci-fi film on Netflix tonight called 'Arena'

Did not realise Dukat and Quark were both in it, working side by side!!

ItHurtsWhenIP · 02-11-2016 10:00am

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Was watching a really bad sci-fi film on Netflix tonight called 'Arena'

Did not realise Dukat and Quark were both in it, working side by side!!

What's not to love about a synopsis like this

:

Steve Armstrong is a human short-order cook in a fast food restaurant on a "starstation" where the most popular arena fighting tournament in the whole galaxy is held. Members of various alien species fight one on one, often dirty, to become the ruling champions of the galaxy. The restaurant's sole waiter and Steve's boss is Shorty, a short four-armed scheming humanoid alien. When Steve saves Shorty from a particularly unpleasant and violent alien guest, they're both fired by the restaurant's automated A.I. for brawling. Shorty shows gratitude and they become friends. However, without jobs, they'll both be kicked off the space station. Thankfully, Quinn, a human female no-nonsense fighting promoter, who's in quick need of new fighters, hears about Steve's fight with the alien guest and offers him sponsorship. Human fighters have traditionally been defeated easily by naturally tougher alien fighters in previous tournaments and Steve would be a real underdog.

I also see a pre-B5 Susan Ivanova (Claudia Christian) is in it as well.

De Bhál · 02-11-2016 10:40am

Just rewatched it. I feel they underused Garak. So much potential with such a good actor.
Overall a great Star Trek series.

02-11-2016 4:08pm

Honestly I feel like they used Garak's character excellently. If they did, it would have kind of gone against what his character is anyway - plus it made moments like In the Pale Moonlight shine so much brighter, because it was the most extreme that his character had been at any point in the series.

The_Valeyard · 02-11-2016 7:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly I feel like they used Garak's character excellently. If they did, it would have kind of gone against what his character is anyway - plus it made moments like In the Pale Moonlight shine so much brighter, because it was the most extreme that his character had been at any point in the series.

Garak.....always five steps ahead.

De Bhál · 03-11-2016 1:26am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Honestly I feel like they used Garak's character excellently. If they did, it would have kind of gone against what his character is anyway - plus it made moments like In the Pale Moonlight shine so much brighter, because it was the most extreme that his character had been at any point in the series.

Ah you're probably right, just me being selfish

09-11-2016 10:56pm

The last season was far too Ezri heavy.

22-11-2016 10:30am

I don't know what the attitude to spoilers is with a show that finished its run 17 years ago this year (holy sh1t!), but I finished my run through recently.

Final opinion on the final season -

It was far too Ezri heavy, as I mentioned previously. There was too many throwaway episodes to establish her as a character and I skipped a lot of them - she just was too soft and whiney. Personal opinion, of course, but she seemed at odds with a then-battlehardened cast.

It seemed a bit of a rushed decision to have Sisko jump into the fire caves with Dukat. We spent the whole series showing them at odds, being friends, allies, and then full-on enemies, only to have it come to a conclusion with a minor squabble and then a jump.

I still hold strong that Dukat is among the best and most complex antagonists of the entire Trek franchise (across all the series and movies), and even topples Khan to an extent. The episode where Dukat and Sisko are trapped together in the caves, with the former slowly going crazy, is truly magnificent. All before that, he kept claiming to be a good guy, that he was a hero, and yet everything fell away at that point.

The conclusion of the show, with all the characters going their own ways (with the traditional flashbacks of happier times) was a perfect way to close it. With Jake and Kiera stood looking out at the wormhole.

In summary, despite having multiple bad episodes (the alternate Deep Space 9 was visited far too many times during the show's entire run), the Dominion War story arc is the strongest of the entire franchise and it dealt with some themes that I personally felt no movie or TV show have gone near since - a true depiction of the horrors of war, of desperation, and has some episodes that genuinely make you feel.

I'm going to say it now - DS9 is, simply, the best of the entire franchise.

tromtipp · 23-11-2016 12:17pm

I quite liked Ezri but even if I didn't I think I'd forgive her everything for demolishing the whole 'Klingon honor' bull**** when she had that rant at Worf. She'd have been an even better character if they'd explored the extent to which avoiding the Symbiosis commission* preparation gave her an independent take on how to be a joined Trill. Jadzia was an intelligent, determined woman, but Jadzia Dax was altogether too dominated by Curzon for the longest time.

I love DS9 and agree it's the best Trek. I keep meaning to do an abridged rewatch of just the episodes with Nog - he has the best developed story arc of any character in ST imo.

*another institution with too much bovine manure.

Kiith · 23-11-2016 2:25pm

They were in a bad position though, with only one season to flesh her out into a meaningful character. I'd say they'd have been better off not even bringing Dax back, or at most have her/him back in a 2-3 parter, so Worf could overcome whatever he needed to overcome.

If they had another season, it could have been spread out and not felt as forced.

Evade · 23-11-2016 2:53pm

Kiith wrote: »

They were in a bad position though, with only one season to flesh her out into a meaningful character. I'd say they'd have been better off not even bringing Dax back, or at most have her/him back in a 2-3 parter, so Worf could overcome whatever he needed to overcome.

If they had another season, it could have been spread out and not felt as forced.

They should have promoted Jadzia to captain and moved her to another front. Then they might have been able to get her back for one or two episodes during season 7.

23-11-2016 3:15pm

I've said it before, but I'll say it again -

They should have killed off the Jadzia character and either have the Dax lineage die or go to someone else, that we never see.

That way, it would've been a powerful last season, because they would have had to deal with someone truly dying because of the war.

Daith · 23-11-2016 4:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I've said it before, but I'll say it again -

They should have killed off the Jadzia character and either have the Dax lineage die or go to someone else, that we never see.

That way, it would've been a powerful last season, because they would have had to deal with someone truly dying because of the war.

I'd agree though the writers wanted another female star on the show. They didn't want it to be Kira only. I kinda wish Jadzia died early in Season 6 during the Terok Nor arc and Ezri arrived later on.

Evade · 23-11-2016 4:27pm

Daith wrote: »

I'd agree though the writers wanted another female star on the show. They didn't want it to be Kira only. I kinda wish Jadzia died early in Season 6 during the Terok Nor arc and Ezri arrived later on.

Terry Farrel wanted them to kill Dax (or Jadzia at least) in the episode where Dax and Worf try to rescue the Cardassian defector from the jungle planet. That would have really screwed with Worf, ruining any chance of promotion while failing to save his wife.

IvySlayer · 24-11-2016 6:16am

Evade wrote: »

Terry Farrel wanted them to kill Dax (or Jadzia at least) in the episode where Dax and Worf try to rescue the Cardassian defector from the jungle planet. That would have really screwed with Worf, ruining any chance of promotion while failing to save his wife.

Have Jadzia die but he saves the symbiont.

3 worst episodes of season 7 are all Ezri centric.

They didn't need another character.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 25-11-2016 1:53am

tromtipp wrote: »

I love DS9 and agree it's the best Trek. I keep meaning to do an abridged rewatch of just the episodes with Nog - he has the best developed story arc of any character in ST imo.

Main characters in the other Trek's didn't get half as much development as most of the supporting characters of DS9. Even Morn was better developed that some people in other shows!

I absolutely love Nog - one of my favourite characters and he had some fantastic episodes in the later seasons.

Kirby · 28-11-2016 2:22am

I always joke with my friends that Morn had more charisma than half the cast of enterprise. :P

MrJones1973 · 07-12-2016 9:51pm

Have been watching Season 6 on Syfy recently. Enjoying it, Its well bedded down by then. Characters are comfortable in their skin. I still find Sisko a bit hysterical/Histrionic at times but a good actor.

Season 6 has all the best elements of DS9
Dark themes, a novelist feel and a real outpost feel.

The station is depressing architecture and the fashion is terrible though.

Whatever happened to Ben sisko anyway? The character.
I know Kiera married the doc in real life and had a kid. Now divorced.
ODo still basically plays ODO in everything I have seen him in. ( Renee)

The_Valeyard · 07-12-2016 10:13pm

Kirby wrote: »

I always joke with my friends that Morn had more charisma than half the cast of enterprise. :P

Yeah, but you just could not shut him up. Always hogging screen time and constantly trying to be the centre of attention.

degrassinoel · 07-12-2016 11:25pm

Mrwhite1970 wrote: »

Whatever happened to Ben sisko anyway? The character.
I know Kiera married the doc in real life and had a kid. Now divorced.
ODo still basically plays ODO in everything I have seen him in. ( Renee)

Ye find out in the last episode. If ye mean the actor,

(1976-present) Associate Professor of Theatre Arts at Rutgers University.

Highfalutin' professor, seen him in a few interviews and i think he's actually alright but he comes off as being really eccentric.
Him and Cirroc Lofton (Jake) are still very close friends.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000984/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

helimachoptor · 08-12-2016 9:23pm

He was interviewed for "the captains" series. He's very eccentric to say the least, but i really enjoyed him as Sisko

Evade · 08-12-2016 11:24pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

He was interviewed for "the captains" series. He's very eccentric to say the least, but i really enjoyed him as Sisko

I rember that. The loudest most energetic Sisko seems to be Brooks' baseline.

JayRoc · 09-12-2016 8:10pm

Evade wrote: »

I rember that. The loudest most energetic Sisko seems to be Brooks' baseline.

I think when people refer to him in the Captains interview as being "eccentric" what they actually mean is "as high as a ****ing kite"

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