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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion Spring/Summer 2018

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Wednesday into Thursday could be very lively


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    http://www.convectiveweather.co.uk/forecast.php?date=2018-05-26

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    Day 2 Convective Outlook
    VALID 06:00 UTC Sat 26 May 2018 - 05:59 UTC Sun 27 May 2018

    ISSUED 22:40 UTC Fri 25 May 2018

    ISSUED BY: Dan

    Plume events are often fraught with uncertainty, primarily due to poor NWP modelling of deep convection generated by mid-level instability. In these types of situations, including today, it is best to take a broad-brush approach and try to highlight trends, rather than specifics - basically, expect the unexpected! The latest model guidance is much further north and a lot quicker with developments than data had been suggesting just 12 hours ago. It is likely some areas within the SLGT could remain lightning free, and the forecast may need to be altered if confidence improves - it rarely goes to plan...


    There are reasonable signs for an area of elevated convection to be drifting across S / SE England at the beginning of this forecast period, continuing to move NW-wards through Saturday morning. Questionable as to how much lightning there will be with this activity given weakening instability, though forecast profiles do suggest some reasonable shear to help with some organisation. Either way, whatever activity there is will likely weaken with time as it continues to migrate across the Midlands and into Wales.
    A secondary pulse of elevated convection may develop and move NW-wards across SW England late morning into the afternoon, which would have a better chance of producing lightning - but this is a weaker signal amongst model guidance.

    This then leaves a window of opportunity during the afternoon for surface-based thunderstorms to occur. However, the atmosphere will be largely capped by a warm nose at 850-900mb, and so despite increasing instability it is possible very little will actually develop. Greatest potential perhaps across Dorset, Somerset and Gloucestershire, but this very much dependent on enough surface heating to break the cap, which is uncertain due to the potential for extensive mid/upper level cloud associated with earlier elevated convection. Should an isolated thunderstorm develop, it may be severe, capable of producing hail up to 2.0cm in diameter and localised surface water flooding.

    The potential for thunderstorms then increases during Saturday evening and night, with numerous elevated thunderstorms likely to develop over the English Channel containing frequent lightning and perhaps some hail. The vast majority of model guidance would suggest thunderstorms will move to the NW, putting SW England and the West Country at greatest risk, broadly Isle of Wight westwards. However, ECMWF has been very consistent over several runs (now joined by 12z EURO4) to produce a much more bifurcated flow, which would then take a very active cluster of thunderstorms NE-wards over Hampshire, Sussex and towards the London area by the early hours of Sunday.
    Given the large spread of possible areas affected, it is difficult to pin down a MDT area with any significant confidence - though worth stressing the ECMWF (and EURO4) tends to have a good handle of elevated convection, and its consistent signal over multiple runs is somewhat reassuring. As a result, have followed these trends for the MDT - though if other models are correct, this may need shifting westwards to cover more of Devon and Cornwall.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Interesting to see what becomes of the trough passing over Sat night Sun morning, heavy rain and will it spark up.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,054 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Cork Airport forecasting a risk of Thunderstorms in the early hours of Sunday

    PROB30 TEMPO 2700/2704 3000 TSRA BKN007CB BECMG 2701/2704 06012KT


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,095 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Latest TAF's for Dublin, Cork and Shannon all mention a thunderstorm risk tonight.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,114 ✭✭✭pad199207


    JCX BXC wrote: »
    Latest TAF's for Dublin, Cork and Shannon all mention a thunderstorm risk tonight.

    Very Small risk. Britain ofcourse enjoying all the fun tonight.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Chance of a few showers breaking out in the afternoon, a low chance few weakly electrified perhaps. Tonight chance of thunderstorms increases into tomorrow, localized heavy rainfall .

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Update

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    UPDATE 06:49 UTC All areas extended north to cater for quicker arrival in latest model guidance. MDT expanded westwards to include Devon and Cornwall. Note: bifurcating flow tends to leave a gap between two main clusters of thunderstorms, so it is possible not everywhere in the MDT will be affected by lightning - but hard to specify exactly which areas might remain lightning-free


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Light rain very muggy now dn20


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,114 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Cells North of Cornwall becoming a little busy now. Activity through South Wales also.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Cells North of Cornwall becoming a little busy now. Activity through South Wales also.

    Yes heading our way bringing a warm humid airmass with it with the passage of the trough.

    Very high Theta E readings, is this the amount we need for instability, time will tell.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,114 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Yeah I think we will feel the heat tonight more than today


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Hoping to see a few sparks in Cork City, will be staying up for a while tonight i think..!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,915 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    fingers crosssed waterford sees some action


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,722 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    That patch of rain on the map over the Kilkenny/Carlow is over me now, reached 6.8mm/hr so far as the highest for my location.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Looks explosive to the South.
    Cork is primed here for storms after about 11pm


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,114 ✭✭✭pad199207


    All going well, Areas like Youghal and Dungarvan look to be in line for some sparks. Its most likely though it will only be a flash or two at the coast. Convection likely to be decaying prior to landfall.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,128 ✭✭✭highdef


    My flight into Dublin from Spain via Biscay in a few hours could be rather interesting!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    highdef wrote: »
    My flight into Dublin from Spain via Biscay in a few hours could be rather interesting!

    Better keep the seat belt tightened :D

    No seriously have a safe flight ! Our reporter in the air.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    A lot of storms to dodge there highdef.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,114 ✭✭✭pad199207


    highdef wrote: »
    My flight into Dublin from Spain via Biscay in a few hours could be rather interesting!

    Palms are sweating just thinking about it. If it’s one thing in the world I hate it’s tubulance.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Big storm pushing closer to Ireland, a few hours off it would seem.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Looks explosive to the South.
    Cork is primed here for storms after about 11pm

    Hoping the city gets some but I say it will be more east towards youghal and we will miss it!

    Those storms look intense, could be the best we've had for a while in Ireland right?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    Unfortunately it looks like as mentioned above Youghal , Dungarvin and anywhere else in line will get the initial round, there's some brewing up over south west England that might push up over the South east later tonight and a big Thunderstorm over France looks like it just might leave enough for us.

    https://en.sat24.com/en

    At least we have the right airflow which gives us a lot of hope.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Some heavy showers off the SE coast now


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,114 ✭✭✭pad199207


    The line of storms developing over Southern UK has Irelands name on them.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    The last 3 hours

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,803 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Along the East early morning perhaps.

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