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Boss reads personal texts on company phone

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    #32
    nitpick man
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭nitpick man


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    I don't take a company phone, I take a SIM and use my own dual SIM phone. I religiously turn my work SIM off every day after work and turn it on again in the morning. I have a separate email app for work and if I get emails in the evening I mostly ignore them and if i don't and draft a reply I always schedule it to send at 8AM
    Me doing this would not benefit my Boss . I know I’m not obliged too but can’t help being a teamplayer as we a small company of approx 10 .
    I should switch off work more often .


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    #33
    Andrew00
    Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Andrew00


    Did he find any porn or filth


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    #34
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    nitpick man wrote: »
    Me doing this would not benefit my Boss . I know I’m not obliged too but can’t help being a teamplayer as we a small company of approx 10 .
    I should switch off work more often .


    Do you have a contract AND a company handbook?

    And yes, no one should work after hours for any company unless you are paid for it - trust me, I know only too well.


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    #35
    Miike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    nitpick man wrote: »
    Me doing this would not benefit my Boss . I know I’m not obliged too but can’t help being a teamplayer as we a small company of approx 10 .
    I should switch off work more often .

    You might actually be fine. Smaller companies are more willing to overlook **** like this imho.


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    #36
    the14thwarrior
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭the14thwarrior


    hard luck. on being caught, by a noisy boss, bit sneaky that but you'll know next time.
    seemed to spend a lot of time looking for things. huh. interesting.

    say nothing till you need to.
    its a bit of a pain in the arse carrying two phones but i think its best.
    i carry two phones.
    fingers crossed they say nothing.
    sorry about your mammy.

    sorry about the common sense thread and nothing to offer you on the law and data business.

    oh deny the weed thing. say its code for something or other. sure what can he prove? deny deny deny deny..... and deny again.


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    #37
    nitpick man
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭nitpick man


    Andrew00 wrote: »
    Did he find any porn or filth
    Doesn’t interest me at all. I’m past all that . No interest in social media and rarely use it for that. I don’t be having time in work to be looking at the web . Work is work and has to be done . If I caught you on a job on your phone when the job is not finished.. I’d have words with you .. plenty time for that after job is done.


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    #38
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,259 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Company devices are for company use. Why dont ya have your own phone ?

    Not if they allow personal usage. My previous contract had it written in thstvphibes could be used for personal use.
    My current contract asks us to pay 8 euro if want to use them fir personal use


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    #39
    nitpick man
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭nitpick man


    ted1 wrote: »
    Not if they allow personal usage. My previous contract had it written in thstvphibes could be used for personal use.
    My current contract asks us to pay 8 euro if want to use them fir personal use

    I might make this suggestion to him if anything arises . I know he would rather and beneficial to him for me take calls out of hours.
    It’s just the drugs txt that is kinda worrying me as I like the job but better paid jobs out there.
    If he askes I’ll be honest and say yes I was and am smoking weed on my weeks holiday at I’m currently on . What is the difference if I go to Amsterdam all week and get blazed.
    This also posses a problem because I’m too honest.


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    #40
    nitpick man
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭nitpick man


    And yes ... I’m using my work phone as I type.

    Thanks for all the reply’s
    It’s nice to know there’s a place where one can be knocked down only to be picked back up over and over again.
    A reality check never hurts. It only hurts because you don’t own it.


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    #41
    The high horse brigade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭The high horse brigade


    nitpick man wrote: »
    Me doing this would not benefit my Boss . I know I’m not obliged too but can’t help being a teamplayer as we a small company of approx 10 .
    I should switch off work more often .

    You're too soft. As my Dad said work for free and you'll always be busy! It's actually outlawed in France, companies are not allowed to send employees emails or contact them out of work hours unless they are willing to pay overtime


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    #42
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 28,805 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    The high horse brigade wrote: »
    You're too soft. As my Dad said work for free and you'll always be busy! It's actually outlawed in France, companies are not allowed to send employees emails or contact them out of work hours unless they are willing to pay overtime

    germany was trying to pass a similar bill not too long ago


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    #43
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Any monitoring of communications conducted by an employer should be necessary, legitimate and proportionate. Yes, it’s a company device, but you still have a right to privacy, which must be balanced against the need to run the business.

    Any decent company will have an Acceptable Use Policy which tells you how much personal use you can make of company devices. In this day, it’s not unreasonable to allow employees some personal use, but it does depend on the industry and security requirements of the employer.

    IMO, reading your messages with your mother was not required, and was unnecessary. Question is though, if you want complain?


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    #44
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    usernamegoes wrote: »
    OP if you get the boot and are inclined to take it further, speak to a solicitor. They will advise you of how workplace surveillance should be done and of your rights to a private life and personal data under ECHR and EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

    I posted some papers earlier and while they are a little legal they are not overly complicated. I can't post links right now but you could google them if interested.

    Just because it's work property doesn't mean you have no privacy rights.

    This guy is correct. I'm a few years out of date but employees had (from recollection) a reasonable expectation to privacy in the workplace regardless of company policy. AFAIK that's been codified in law in the interim.


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    #45
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    nitpick man wrote: »
    Does he not need my permission to check his company phone that he provided to me for use.

    Most companies would cover them selves with specific company policy on the matter and bring to your attention that company phone/email is not confidtential, and they reserve the right to monitor, but it's only "good practice" to have a policy, not an absolute legal requirement.


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    #46
    nitpick man
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭nitpick man


    GerardKeating wrote: »
    Most companies would cover them selves with specific company policy on the matter and bring to your attention that company phone/email is not confidtential, and they reserve the right to monitor, but it's only "good practice" to have a policy, not an absolute legal requirement.



    Your mother is selling you weed?

    Excuse me .. if you read the whole topic. How you concluded my mother sells weed. If you don’t mind please just leave advice and not accusations


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    #47
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    nitpick man wrote: »
    Excuse me .. if you read the whole topic. How you concluded my mother sells weed. If you don’t mind please just leave advice and not accusations

    You stated
    nitpick man wrote: »
    2 messages both from my mother which had been sent throughout the day .
    nitpick man wrote: »
    I know he be jumping for joy when he mentions to me why is someone texting you saying they got some weed to sell. ��

    so i made a joke, sorry.


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    #48
    nitpick man
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭nitpick man


    GerardKeating wrote: »
    You stated





    so i made a joke, sorry.

    I did say from a friend somewhere in a post. By the way you took snips of post does look that way.
    You don’t work for the sun newspaper by any chance. Lol. Only joking


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    #49
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users Posts: 7,526 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    nitpick man wrote: »
    I did say from a friend somewhere in a post. By the way you took snips of post does look that way.
    You don’t work for the sun newspaper by any chance. Lol. Only joking

    Well, i am looking for a new career, might try working for the sun, Does not look like it take much talent... :)


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    #50
    nitpick man
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭nitpick man


    GerardKeating wrote: »
    Well, i am looking for a new career, might try working for the sun, Does not look like it take much talent... :)

    I’ll keep you all posted on the outcome on Monday..


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    #51
    Fakediamond
    Registered Users Posts: 1,054 ✭✭✭Fakediamond


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Company devices are for company use. Why dont ya have your own phone ?

    I have a phone provided by my job. Free calls and texts 24/7. I’ve had it for years and use it for everything. I really don’t see the need to be carrying around 2 phones. Most of my colleagues are the same

    I’ll be honest that I didn’t know my employer could look at the messages. If they ever did, most of us would be sacked as we’re not exactly complimentary about the management :pac:


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    #52
    Marcusm
    Registered Users Posts: 10,184 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    nitpick man wrote: »
    I’ll keep you all posted on the outcome on Monday..

    I hope it goes alright for you. If you have a good relationship with him then he might very well have preferred not knowing that you ever do weed. From the employer’s perspective, they will have a concern that you might be under the influence while on company business and thus expose them to liability. Be prepared to deal with this aspect and otherwise say that any incidental personal use of the phone will cease if they instruct you to do so. Absent the weed issue, I cannot see that incidental personal use would be a disciplinary or firing matter unless there were significant additional unreimbursed costs.


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    #53
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Does the OP pay for any personal usage on the phone?


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    #54
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    nitpick man wrote: »
    Story goes. On Friday gone my boss needed to use my van ..a company van for the day. I had inadvertently left my company phone in the van.
    Put a 6 digit lock on the phone, that can also be unlocked by your thumb press. Also, stop messages from displaying on the lock screen. This may prevent this from happening again?


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    #55
    Skatedude
    Registered Users Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Skatedude


    the_syco wrote: »
    Put a 6 digit lock on the phone, that can also be unlocked by your thumb press. Also, stop messages from displaying on the lock screen. This may prevent this from happening again?

    It's a company phone, I'd be very surprised if it's not in his contract that he has to unlock it if requested, it's not his phone or property, it belongs to the company.


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    #56
    Miike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Any update?!


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    #57
    Charmeleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 437 ✭✭Charmeleon


    Skatedude wrote: »
    It's a company phone, I'd be very surprised if it's not in his contract that he has to unlock it if requested, it's not his phone or property, it belongs to the company.

    ‘If requested’ is far more legitimate and transparent than secret, random snooping, as in this case.

    If the company is as small as he says, I would actually be surprised if it had such detailed policies set out in its employment contracts.


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    #58
    Ursus Horribilis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    How on earth do you not have your own phone number? This can't be for real.


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    #59
    kbell
    Registered Users Posts: 1,249 ✭✭✭kbell


    Ursus Horribilis wrote: »
    How on earth do you not have your own phone number? This can't be for real.

    In my company we all have work mobiles and are allowed fair usage personal use, some lads just use this and forgo their own number as it saves them money.


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    #60
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    I had work phone and personal phone, too much hassle carrying them around, which do you sync to car kit etc

    Company let you use phone for personal if required and you can pay personal charge, you still have to adhere to phone guidelines so no dodgy sites etc....no need for two phones

    The actual number is a company number but is assigned to me, if I leave I can bring the number with me if I want

    The OP case is different the phone and number is tied to company, the passcode is so any employee can use it....why would you even use it knowing that anyone could open it and read your info? If the OP leaves tomor it is handed to the next person


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    #61
    AryaStark
    Registered Users Posts: 656 ✭✭✭AryaStark


    usernamegoes wrote: »
    OP if you get the boot and are inclined to take it further, speak to a solicitor. They will advise you of how workplace surveillance should be done and of your rights to a private life and personal data under ECHR and EU Charter of Fundamental Rights.

    I posted some papers earlier and while they are a little legal they are not overly complicated. I can't post links right now but you could google them if interested.

    Just because it's work property doesn't mean you have no privacy rights.

    OP was texting about getting illegal drugs on his work phone... I wouldnt say he has any comeback.


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