Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

What's "BUMP"?

It's a function of a particular engine to deliver extra power if required by operation at a higher speed temporarily. It is however not available for an A330 and is not something that should be used regularly as it's shortens periods between engine maintenance.

In response to the points raised on Baldonnel/Casement (CAB) as a second airport.

Distance between the two facilities is 20Km or 20mins travel time.

As pointed out CAB operates at maybe 10% capacity which is a waste of public money. As a piece of prime real estate it currently attracts no income whatsoever, a lost opportunity.

Instead of upgrading CAB to full airport, why not operate as T3 for Dublin Airport? On this basis could be used for regional traffic to UK/Europe or as a dedicated facility for Ryanair or Stobart Air. Passengers can be bused quickly between the two and long term a rail link could be considered.

This would relieve the pressure on main airport and hence obviate the need for a second runway.

Final point, Belfast supports two airports and competition between them helps drive down costs.

FuzzyDunlop100 wrote: »

What's "BUMP"?

I'm assuming the Emirates/Etihad 777's wouldn't attempt a takeoff on 28/10 if wet, what about if dry?

Why not - they would not be even close to fully loaded - its only a six hour flight from an aircraft that can do 12+ hours with ease.

handtight wrote: »

In response to the points raised on Baldonnel/Casement (CAB) as a second airport.

Distance between the two facilities is 20Km or 20mins travel time.

As pointed out CAB operates at maybe 10% capacity which is a waste of public money. As a piece of prime real estate it currently attracts no income whatsoever, a lost opportunity.

Instead of upgrading CAB to full airport, why not operate as T3 for Dublin Airport? On this basis could be used for regional traffic to UK/Europe or as a dedicated facility for Ryanair or Stobart Air. Passengers can be bused quickly between the two and long term a rail link could be considered.

This would relieve the pressure on main airport and hence obviate the need for a second runway.

Final point, Belfast supports two airports and competition between them helps drive down costs.

Why not run it past weston and that can be used for the really small stuff.....

But on a serious note - it would cause chaos - you would need a dedicated rail line, as you could not guarantee connection times otherwise. And that is without even taking into account the money required to upgrade BAL to a suitable level for commercial operations - think terminal, fire services, poor weather equipement etc. Then there would be airspace issues, especially with the Dublin mountains in close proximity.

It would be easier, both financially and politically to just throw the money at Dublin - you would get more bang for your buck.

Can we please not have another thread descend into "I know more than you know" bull****. Keep it civil everyone.

handtight wrote: »

Instead of upgrading CAB to full airport, why not operate as T3 for Dublin Airport? On this basis could be used for regional traffic to UK/Europe or as a dedicated facility for Ryanair or Stobart Air. Passengers can be bused quickly between the two and long term a rail link could be considered.

Why? It's not good for passengers, it makes connections difficult, it makes providing high capacity public transport to the airport difficult, it forces airlines to split to their staff or hire more, it reduces any economies of scale that the airport might enjoy and, has been pointed out, runs the risk of stalling badly when it's neighbours object.

The two airport model is not a good thing for Belfast, Dublin Airport is in fact reporting increasing patronage from Northern Ireland, as neither of the 2 Belfast airports have significant enough mass to attract anything more than internal and sun holiday flights. at present Growth, I can see DUB passing 23.5mil by 2016. Hopefully when that time comes DAA will be ready to build.

daithi84 wrote: »

What a joke, given that the Dublin - Dubai and Abu'dhabi is one of the busiest routes would having a longer runway to accommodate the A380's not make sense. Build the runway we can take more and larger planes and then your passenger numbers will increase!!!

Dublin can in theory handle an A380 as it is - ok, not as efficiently as some other airports, but it can handle it. To handle it efficiently would require additional investment by the airport. But is there a proper business case for it?

At the moment it would only be Emirates operating one into Dublin, and I could see them going double daily before they send in an A380, as it allows more flexibility - especially useful for business and first class pax and additional freight capacity - a big plus out of Dublin apparently.

A similar comparison could be made with the number of B747,s that have visited Dublin over the years - Apart from Aer Lingus I cannot remember scheduled B747 flights to Dublin - even the smaller B777 were a rare sight.

owenc wrote: »

I'm 3 hours from Dublin and Donegal is even further. I don't think most people are going to be travelling the whole across the island of Ireland for a flight just to please some selfish individuals from Dublin. Of course we will use Belfast and keep our money here. The only time I will ever use Dublin is when going long haul!

That may be the case that you are happy to use Belfast - but look at the wider picture - these days people will fly from A)Where there are flights that they want to take, and Where flights are cheaper. These days people will travel and extra hour or two to save money on most things, flights included. And with its larger population base Dublin can offer both a larger range of destinations, and higher passenger figures - driving down prices between airlines as they look for the passengers.

owenc wrote: »

Its because theres only 1 flight to America and it is more expensive. If they tried a flight to Orlando and maybe Boston the passengers to Dublin would probably decrease significantly.

You also have to remember that most of the 500,000 passengers are from South Eastern NI. Very few will come from here.

And I don't know about you but its kind of selfish and only thinking about Dublin and yourself when talking about building to draw in more passengers. We need to have an airport for us, its hardly fair to expect everybody on the island to travel to Dublin, I mean get a grip.

I haven't made a statement one way or the other as to what airport policy on the Island of Ireland should be, so on that basis I would say it is you who needs to get a grip.

If you're asking my opinion though, we should mimic the policy of other small nations, like the Netherlands, Denmark etc. small countries pick a central airport and develop it as the country's main international hub, with smaller airports in the regions catering for local demand to mostly European destinations, I feel this is how Ireland should proceed in it's transport policy.